The debate "2 reasons why Trump is a danger to America and why I will never vote for him no matter what he says" was started by
an anonymous person on
September 2, 2016, 7:38 am.
8 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 11 people are on the disagree side.
People are starting to choose their side.
It looks like most people are against to this statement.
Nemiroff posted 7 arguments to the agreers part.
MelissaMagalhaes, phantrash55 and 6 visitors agree.
Austin7779, SolicitedSolarSliver, Bman192837465, fadi, sabrina and 6 visitors disagree.
people aren't allowed to change their opinions over decades? Trump flip flops within hours!
and this is a flip on nuance within the same side of the gay rights debate. Trump has flipped from being for the minimum wage to being against it.
are you gonna cite Hillary being for 12/hr then giving in to bernie about 15 as a flip flop? cause it's not. going from 12 to no minimum wage hike is a flip flop (exactly what Trump did) what Hillary did was progress, she built on and expanded her views. she was always on the same side of the gay rights debate. pro-rights.
and if you want to continue to insist that she flip flopped and that's a bad thing, then you have to admit that Trump is 100x more guilty of flip flops of the actual extreme, completely opposite position, within a shorter time frame, on far more topics. the misgivings of the 2 candidates are not even comparable.
why are you talking about Hilary in a thread about trump?
Hillary Clinton's gay marriage stance is one of many topics she flip floped. Saying she "changed with the time" is stupid because just because everyone thought one way in a time does not mean the politicians are justified as well. I'm not saying she's a bad person because she changed her opinion but because she did it for the votes. You said that nobody was for gay marriage when she was against it and now she's for it and most people are. You just proved it yourself that Hillary Clinton changes her opinion for the masses.
Now your no idiot and neither am I so we both know that mostly all politicians do that. It is just that she has changed many opinions in a short amount of time about things that everyone has always been split about. Back in 03 she stated that she hated illegal immigrants. In 12 she stated she supported free trade. Now she has changed her opinion on both for no apparent reason.
All politicians are asked the same questions over and over again, Hillary is the only one fuming. Trump banned those news outlets because he already had things against them not because they asked him the wrong question at a press conference. Which by the way she has not held in her presidential campaign.
you're right. he is telling everyone to be afraid of these groups. that fear is breeding hate. so while he is breeding hate, fear is the means by which he is doing that.
I'm actually going to disagree with buff, not that I think trump is good, but I think your missing some key points that are creating some justified backlash.
he isn't promoting racism. he is scapegoating. he does not hate these groups for the sake for hating, he is citing very real frustrations and is simply putting the blame on "the others" to galvanize those who can't think any deeper. his attacks on the press is an excellent example. they are of all races, but they can shoulder the blame of pc and partisanship, so he makes them a target.
he isn't promoting hate, he is promoting fear. he isn't saying hate Muslims and Hispanics because they are evil, but because of the supposed threat the represent. to our lives or our livelyhood. sure fear may manifest itself as hate, but the root itself is fear.
clinton is a quintessential politician. she is a more of the same candidate when change is needed. she isn't going to fix the system but she won't break it either.
trump is stoking violence, hate and racism for his own personal gain. he lashes out at any perceived slight to himself. he can't help it, revenge is something he seems to need. giving a man like that control of the FBI, CIA, and IRS is insane. anyone who criticises him will become an enemy of the state because in the mind of a demagogue, he is the state. if you aren't with him then you have to be crushed.
changing her stance on gay marriage is not a big deal. she supported gay rights then and she supports gay rights now. Noone supported gay marriage then, the entire country "flip flopped" over the decade.
Trump flip flops over the course of hours. and he flips all the way around.
this is a false equivocation.
and Hillary may have gotten frustrated over reporters asking her the same question she answered repeatedly on previous occasions, but she has never threatened to sue them over articles they wrote, and she doesn't have an entire blacklist of banned media outlets like Trump has.
her getting angry at a reporter and Trump systematically threatening and banning new outlets is not even comparable.
any politician who sues the press and cherry picks which news organizations are allowed into his events in undermining the very heart of the constitution. a free Press is guaranteed in the bill of rights.
Hillary is far from perfect, but comparing her misdeeds to trumps on a 1 for 1 basis is just ignorance. (my press example)
Trump and Hillary are both horrible human beings and neither of them are suited to be president. What nemiroff said is correct about Donald Trump, but Hillary Clinton is also a terrible person because of her hostile attitude when reporters simply question her stances, her fibbing and lying just for the heck of it such as when she said she landed in sniper fire in Bosnia, and her changes in opinion just to get votes such as what she said about marriage in the 90's and 2000's, Vs now.
yeah, the difference is that before trump had no power and still did everything he could to counterattack. so the obvious answer would be to give him power lol.
your a genius aren't you kido ^.^
stop talking like a retard. go amd live in a tribe you undeveloped pile of dog shit. your brain simply doesnt have the capacity to understand topics relative to their seriousness. can your retarded brain not understand that a line has clearly been crossed from defending your character with lawsuits to enforcing a secret police? your character is worthless. you need dignity to understand how serious falsely accusing someones values is. silly boy.
and if you believe that retaliation at any slight is a good thing for a leader, you would have loved stalin and his secret police. feel free to move to North Korea if that is the future you desire, their leader doesn't even poop, and they'll make you dissappear if you say otherwise.
can u provide examples or do you just yell like a child?
guess what? HILLARY HAS A LONGER HISTORY OF DOING BOTH THOSE THINGS. Honestly how sheepishly uneducated do you have to be? hillary says everything people want to hear and then idiots like you believe her. when it comes to trump retaliating to people mocking his character, thats a good thing. hes not a danger you idiot, he values his self respect and dignity. thats what this generation needs. somebody who values his character. what could be more important in this gen of fags and slags? how pathetic are you? "oh, this man values his dignity and is fighting to protect it, therefore he is a danger", thats moral retardation at the max level.
agreed. his need to retaliate against any perceived slight to himself is an extremely disturbing trait for someone in control of law enforcement agencies, not to mention the military.
1. he has a record of telling anyone whatever they want to hear, and then completely ignoring all his promises / responsibilities.
2. he has a record of retaliation, whether retaliatory statements, or legal lawsuits (or threats of) against anyone who criticizes him, his character, or even his anatomy. I am not in favor of giving that type of man control of all our enforcement agencies.
I am conflicted of whether he is a racist, or whether he is stupid. I would not be surprised if he is none of those and is just acting the part. but those are all irrelevant in light of these 2 issues. he is a danger.
"Only I can solve your problems" -Trump