A belief that is not based on reason makes no sense

February 28, 2020, 4:20 pm

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The debate "A belief that is not based on reason makes no sense" was started by diecinueve on February 28, 2020, 4:20 pm. 28 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 10 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

diecinueve posted 5 arguments, civilizeddiscussion posted 3 arguments, jrardin12 posted 1 argument to the agreers part.
historybuff posted 5 arguments to the disagreers part.

diecinueve, eva_pet35, jrardin12, civilizeddiscussion, eli and 23 visitors agree.
historybuff and 9 visitors disagree.

civilizeddiscussion
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yes it is difficult, even I believe it should not be easy. if it was easy, there is not a point for human existence

1 year, 1 month ago
civilizeddiscussion
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smart people who lived before the earth was proven to be round

1 year, 1 month ago
diecinueve
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what is not proven does not necessarily mean that it is wrong, but guessing something without having any reason to think that it is true is very difficult

1 year, 1 month ago

Actually all smart people knew the earth was round. But anyway that doesn't have anything to do with the subject at hand.

1 year, 1 month ago

reasoning is the key but not everything should make sense for now. for example all smart people used to believe the earth is flat. what is not proven doesnt mean its wrong.

1 year, 1 month ago
historybuff
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Yes, everyone decides what they believe in.

I agree. That belief would make sense to them. But that argument seems to further disprove the topic.

1 year, 1 month ago
diecinueve
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Can you decide what to believe in? If so, then someone could decide to believe in something, even if there is evidence to prove that belief is false, even then that belief would make sense. Do you agree with that?

1 year, 1 month ago
historybuff
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The topic is not about whether you personally are capable of believing in something without evidence. The topic is whether it makes sense to believe in something that is not based on reason.

I have provided examples of how it is beneficial to believe in something that is not based on reason both personally and to a society. Therefore, in at least some cases, it does make sense to do so. unless you have further points, I believe I have proven the topic to be false.

1 year, 1 month ago
diecinueve
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Believing is not something that can be decided. If there is no reason to believe in something, I cannot believe it even if I want to. So although a belief benefits me, it makes no sense to believe in it if there is no reason to do so

1 year, 1 month ago
historybuff
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Again, if you have evidence to support a belief one way or the other, your point is quite valid. If there is no evidence then I don't think your point has much validity at all.

If you don't have any evidence to tell you what the correct belief is, and not knowing would cause negative affects to you and your entire society, then having a belief not grounded in facts if a net positive both to yourself and your society. It makes sense to do what improves your life.

1 year, 1 month ago
diecinueve
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They can have value, but it makes no sense for a person to believe that it is true.
If feeling safe was the reason why you think that sacrificing to the gods increases the chances of a safe journey, then it would make sense to believe in that, but in reality the reason someone believes in that is not to feel safe, is that he thinks it's true.
If the reason you believe in that is to feel safe and not that you think it is true, then you would know that it is false and therefore it makes no sense to believe in it.
So the reason for all belief is to think that it is true, and if it has no evidence, then it makes no sense to believe that it is true and therefore that belief makes no sense

1 year, 1 month ago
historybuff
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true, but there is still value in the belief. There is the cultural value. Religious beliefs helped build community and culture for example.

There is the emotional value of feeling like you have control. If I need to sail my ship across the Mediterranean in order to get a resource, I am more likely to do that if I feel like I am likely to have safe voyage. If I feel like sacrificing to the gods increases my odds of a safe voyage there is the emotional value of feeling better as well as the tangible value of it giving me the confidence to go ahead and do what is necessary. Without that belief, I might be too afraid to go into the unknown.

So while I agree it is better to base beliefs on facts and evidence when these things are available, beliefs can have value even if they are not based on evidence.

1 year, 1 month ago
diecinueve
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believing in something that is not true does not give you control over our world

1 year, 1 month ago

I would disagree. In the absence of evidence, people still need to believe something. When people had no way of knowing what made the sun come up every day, people needed an explanation. Human nature requires us to feel like we understand and therefore have some level of control over our world. So creating beliefs when you have no evidence to the contrary is reasonable. However, creating beliefs that run contrary to available evidence makes no sense.

1 year, 1 month ago
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