The debate "A Male is a Male and a Female is a Female" was started by
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So the trap is perceived to have a female gender but actually has the sex of a man
I agree, but how do you describe the "trap phenomenon" where guys transition so well that they can convince heterosexual men to get into bed with them, where they realise they have a penis. Traps are men, they have the sexual organs and gender chromosomes of a man, but without seeing the penis they appear to be female. Language around separating gender from sex helps understand how this happens. The trap adopts features that society uses to identify someone as a female, so until someone checks whether they have a penis or vagina everyone perceives a female
this should not even be a discussion god created man and woman and a basic human body study proves this
I identify as a Cocktail with trees inside me!
have you tried reading anything anyone else has said?
It does not matter what someone does to their bodies to try and make themselves different, such as turning transgender and becoming the opposite sex, but according to your karyotype if you get one, and according to science, you either have XX sex chromosomes or XY sex chromosomes. If you have XY sex chromosomes, you're classified as a male, and if you have XX sex chromosomes, you're classified as a female. No amount of surgeries or body modifications can change your sexual identity. If you're transgender and you decide you want to be male, but you're actually female, you're not actually a male even if you're transgender because of the sex chromosomes you have, and vice versa. If you're, let's say, a male, and you feel like you could be a dog or an iguana or a lawn mower, SHUT THE F**K UP! YOU'RE WRONG AND YOU ALWAYS WILL BE WRONG IF YOU BELIEVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT! We have been given either a set of XX chrosomomes, a set of XY chromosomes, or if you have an abnormality in your sex chromosomes, XXY chromosomes. You can't change that! God made us in His image, so we can't just change ourselves because we would basically be believing that God didn't make us right. God is right and perfect all the time, so I believe that you should not be transgender and you should never change your sexual identity because you don't like who you are! In conclusion, I agree that a male is a male and a female is a female.
that's a dumb analogy.
this is an old thread and this same discussion is going on in the "there are only 2 genders" thread. I think it would be better to not have 2 identical discussions going on.
XX or XY, if it's how I FEEL on the inside, I classify as a 30 year old Toaster
yes, I'm taking USA. however people in the us push for creationism in schools and anti vaxxination... that doesnt mean it will happen or is representative. what kind of nations are actually considering this?
In the United States of America, you mean. However, many leftists are pushing for hate speech laws similar to what many other countries currently have that will allow for legal prosecution for "hate speech"
no one is prosecuted for hate speech over this issue*
no one is prosecuted for hate speech. medical professionals are the only ones with rules, and that's after repeated corrections and proof they are doing it intentionally.
much like you wouldnt allow lawyers to lie to their clients, people taking care of your health should maintain your trust and dignity.
no one, ever, gets any penalty, for an honest mistake. only after repeated, intentional, harrassment in select professional settings. an off duty doctor can say whatever he wants to whoever he wants just like anyone else.
That is were freedom of speach comes into play, and that scares me. Because some people consider misidentifying someone as a him or her hate speech and legally punishable. If it hurts your feelings that much mabe there is an off balance of hormones or some biological problem doctors/ psychologists need to look at.
sorry, was distracted, did just look it up. I was mistaken body dysmorphia has nothing to do with the issue. gender dysphoria is what I should have used from the start.
other than that, the rest of my point remains. thank you for pointing that out, been saying that wrong for a while now
Have you looked into Gender Dysphoria, yet?
no responses to any of my posts? :p
I refuse to use false pronouns for the sake of protecting one's false "truth" of their own gender. If you are a biological male that transitioned into a female, I have the right to call you him, his, and sir and I will call them just that. They cannot force me to abide by what they want for the sake reason that they believe in something false. I just refuse
would you please give me a definition of sex and gender so I can too see the difference between the two because I can tell you right now that these words mean the exact same thing
No it isn't the person's choice whether they want to stay that gender or not. They could do all the transitioning in the world to try to become something they're not but, they'll still be what they originally were whether it be a male or female. That statement is completely false.
The statement that a male is a male and a female is a female is completely true. Just because you feel like a woman and you're a man, it doesn't mean that you are a woman. I could feel like anything and it wouldn't make me that. I will not dismiss all simple biology to agree with someone's feelings of untruth. As Ben Shapiro said best, "Facts don't care about your feelings." He couldn't have said it any better. If you are a person of xx chromesomes, you are female and if you are a person of xy chromesomes, you are male. There is no in-between, it's either male or female. If you want to think that you are the opposite gender than you are, go ahead and do it, I have no word in what you do. But your chromesomes are what define you, it's not what you think. I could think I'm anything, as I said before, so I don't know how it's any different with your gender. I know people are going to bring up the rare circumstances of intersex people so I'm going to address it before anyone says anything about it. 99% of the time you are able to tell whether someone is dominately male or female. And in these very few cases, most people have a large clitoris or a micropenis. If anyone has anything to say about this, people @ me, I would love to have a conversation with you!
It is not that transgender people "want" to just flip flop all willy nilly, there is a biological component to transitioning in itself. The reason they do so is because their brain matches their gender identity hut their body doesn't, and this causes gender dysphoria. To alleviate gender dysphoria, they have to transition. The statement that it's just chromosomes that play into gender is simply false. There are many other characteristics such as genitals and like I said before the identity your brain is formed around.
there are always more variation within a group then between groups. the "known differences" you are referring to are averages and what one can typically expect, not an iron clad law.
as wide a difference as there is between your typical Male and female, the difference between a feminine man and a masculine Male are great as well. many aspects of a feminine man and a masculine women may intersect.
sex = male/female, XX/XY, set in stone at birth
gender = masculine/feminine. and chyna/prince and many others have shown that this does not always follow sex. even when they arent getting body modification for it.
I have noticed that through the arguments, most people have been saying that gender and sex are different, or that your mind can determine whether you are a boy or girl.
First, lets look at this in a biological perspective. Being a male means that you are born with XY chromosomes. This in turn gives you the parts of a male, which easily determines one sex.If you are born with XX chromosomes, you are born with female parts.
Now, this doesnt only determine the parts that you have. Thousands of studies show that there are differences between men and women on multiple levels other than physically. This includes their emotion, the way they process information, their thinking process...
Now to the people that say you can determine what your sex is based off of the way that you think of yourself, (Gender and Sex is a different thing) No. You cant be a gender just because you want to be that gender. You cant be a goose just because you think you should be a goose or want to be. Thinking that you are something doesnt mean that you are, and that disregards the biological standard that there is for Sex.
The way you feel on the inside does not determine your biological self. I can't be an alligator if I just want to be an alligator. Biology is a predetermined state, and not something that we all get to change. Chromosomes determine that, and the idea that you can change just because of the want of it, is absurd.
as an aficionado of neuroscience you must also know the vast complexity and individuality of each brain. and even if you have a general rule of thumb, it is far from a law.
this is a study that showed trans brains share many features found in their desired gender.
although I still feel that if we were less strict with our gender norms, many more would feel comfortable in their own bodies.
is it a choice? or a feeling? because feelings are usually not chosen. they overwhelm your logic and decision making.
People are born either a male or a female, but it is the persons choice whether they want to stay that way or not.
As an afficianado of neuroscience I can say that this is generally incorrect lol. The brain of a female human is BORN with so many different wirings
Males will always be males and females will always be females! Gender is determined by your sex chromosomes you receive from your parents! If you have XX sex chromosomes, you are female. If you have XY chromosomes, you are male. It doesn't matter if anyone decides to be transgender and try surgery and other techniques to swap genders. You will always be the same gender you were born with because of your sex chromosomes you received from your parents!
Yeah well i feel like a Cat. So am i a Cat? No.
if it's all about feelings (which I agree) wouldn't that be masculine vs feminine instead of male vs female?
I mean male vs female is sex, not gender. it's your xx or XY, and no amount of hormone replacement or surgery can change that. so a male is a male (sex) but that male can be quite feminine (gender)
are you by any chance a transgender? I noticed you hit up all the gender topics and I had a few questions I'd like to ask regarding this issue from a direct source.
Sex and gender are different things. You can have female parts and be a male and have male parts and be female. It's just about how you feel on the inside.
yes but somepeople dont want to understand xD :/
People don't have to go by specific pronouns that connect to what type of body they have.
I know quite a few people who even hate the idea of being referred to as their real gender and prefer opposing pronouns or they and them.
To wrap this up, gender is not limited to what you know being a boy and girl. It can be extended into whatever the person wishes to be. Of they would like to not be associated with any real gender, you have yourself someone who doesn't fit into the categories you've listed.
Still Confused???...Well on d basis of Qualities we can't distinguish between them
What the crazy f*** are you on about
Trans women's brains have the same chemical patterns are cis women. So trans women that call themselves women are correct. unless of course you feel that your the rest of your body is more important than your brain.
Sure a male is a male and female is a female. If someone's their brain chemistry lines up with one of the other.
I agree with this... but not in a physical way. If you say you are female and feel you are female, than you should have he right to be regarded as female. Female is female.
-If you have a penis, you are a male. Simple.
so here is the thing...there are gender variations both physically apparent and genetically. if you knew basic 9th grade biology, you wouldn't be making that dumbass argument
Its really simple. Now follow me on this. If you were born with the parts of a man...you're a man. If you were born with the parts of a woman...you're a woman. Now, of course, you can call yourself a woman, but that doesn't make you one. You can call yourself a tree for that matter, but, that doesn't make you one.
it's mixed. they are using it on alot of different groups and different people. some of them need to be stopped and some of them only want to resist American imperialism. they are enemies of America, but only because America is an enemy to them.
do you believe the drone program has its purpose and should continue?
or do you see it as nothing more than murder that should stop?
well I'm not sure it is the Obama approach. the program predates Obama. but he did ramp it up significantly.
but i do think it is an improvement. instead of leveling a city block to kill their target they only level a single house. but that's like saying saying it's better to only murder 5 children instead of murdering 20 children. yes it's an improvement, but it's still awful.
sorry for off topic question, but do you think the Obama drone approach is an improvement to previous strategies?
Americans would have been considered terrorists by the British had the term been popular at the time. so I would be careful how you throw that word around. America is not shy about using bombings on civilians.
and a terrorist is a terrorist
and a transgender person is atransgender person