The debate "A society that doesnt provide Justice does not deserve Peace" was started by
May 31, 2020, 5:07 am.
42 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 15 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
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Nemiroff posted 9 arguments to the agreers part.
Allirix posted 4 arguments, jrardin12 posted 9 arguments, Nemiroff posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.
Nemiroff, PL, Indra_Sharma, gowtama, sameen99 and 37 visitors agree.
Allirix, jrardin12, Yatumba, TRUELOVE, britishwolf and 10 visitors disagree.
justice varies from one person to another? seriously?
deserve is varying from one person to another so you cant really say as a fact if they are or not. but what I can say is the ones without justice tend to be more peaceful on the outside.
Yes. You cant expect peace from especially the revolting people within a society youre not providing justice with all in uniform level
Democrats are the ones who make sure that blacks can't go to better schools, stop and frisk was from Democrat Mike Bloomberg's decision and Democrats have made it to the point where jobs are drooling for black workers to say they have more diversity and get more benefits.
when your neighborhood has worthless schools, you get stopped and frisked going to buy groceries, and employers are less likely to hire, your pretending its fair and square?
sure they get to run the race, except they start 50 yards back and get kicked in both shins. sure your not the one that kicked them, but you still won a rigged race. want a medal?
But that is their choice. I know many Blacks and Latinos who come from the hood and they tell me that many young men prefer being in gangs and doing drugs than getting an education. So who's fault is it? Not mine and that is for sure.
but we dont have many people from all ethnic groups succeeding, we have a handful of people from certain ethnic groups succeeding, while most struggle for survival.
unless you think the majority of black people are simply lazy bums... whose the racist now?
saying most black people dont succeed is simply fact.
saying most black people dont succeed because they are all lazy is racist.
Blacks have made it were I haven't.
Not true or else we would have many people from all ethnic groups succeeding
thats the myth. reality: america has some of the lowest social mobility amongstb1st world nation. the biggest predictor of success in america is where you are born, not how hard you try.
I wasn't talking about just billionaires I was also talking about blacks who are millionaires or just business owners. In other words if you are poor in America it is your choice.
according to business insider February 2020
there are 607 billionaires in USA. 5 are black. racism lies in denying truth, aka you.
Handful of exceptions! You are very racist!
a tiny handful of exceptions doesnt change the mass of people held back by private market discriminations in lending and hiring, or official discrimination in enforcement and justice.
your focusing on a handful of thriving trees in a dying forest.
If there were opression we wouldn't have black millionaires and billionaires.
Now I know you are ignorant. MLK was assassinated and many things changed.
if a society insists on oppressing or discriminating a population, it deserves the retaliation from that population. obviously they do not deserve eternal unrest, how long they live without peace is entirely dependent on the society.
mlk's peace got him assassinated
I still disagree with the overall idea that the society does not deserve peace though
I agree that expecting them to behave is silly. Especially in the USA where the right to bear arms exists to literally allow citizens to revolt against a government that doest represent them.
It's like Lelouch's ends justify the means vs Suszaku's change from within strategies for reforming totalitarianism if you've seen Code Geass, the show they're from.
Pretty sure MLK would not agree.
yeah, im not saying they should be invaded by foreign powers. but if you have a population treated unjustly, expecting them to quietly behave is irrational. it may take time, but it will explode eventually. and i cant blame them.
It deserves peace from other societies, but not from its own members of society. If a society is not just to its citizens then the citizens should demand justice, and if ignored, should be able to resort to non-peaceful measures. If the citizens are a minority and do not have the power to demand anything, then and outside force should be allowed to help. But the outside force should not resort to non-peaceful measures.