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Yeah I I'm going to stop commenting on this all together. Nice chatting with you all.
And I didn't get the "let's wait for him to reply to see what's gonna be his defense". What is that? Am I on trial, now?
You should have some English classes to learn how to interpret my text, Jerry. I never meant to say anything against YOU. I have been talking about hypocrite and false moralist Christians who hardly condemn other people for their sins since the beginning. If you feel like it was addressed to you, so you'd better rethink your values.
Furthermore, this discussion has reached a totally different level because you guys asked me about what I consider morally right and I had to create a sort of sub-discussion in this topic.
I hope you guys could understand my point and could at least consider it. I understand the reasons you all have to defend the regulation of abortion under strict control, but none of your arguments really convinced me till the point I could change my mind. I respect your opinions, though.
Fair enough. And just for clarification. I believe that by controlling it to the majority is making it illegal to the majority and acceptable to the special cases. It's like killing a person. When you kill a person for no reason or just because you don't like them, it is counted as murder. But most of the time when police or military do it, or if it is for self defense, then it is accepted. Making killing a person illegal to the majority, but with the exception to special cases.
Actually we should probably get on topic, this is just red herring at this point. Let word say some defense in his next post and we'll see.
OK first off I was confused as to whether or not he believed I was Christian.
Yes, we may have the same beliefs, but if you voted illegal, how? I wanted strictly controlled.not illegal. So that it's legal in special cases but off limits to the majority of the population. (Therefore not illegal )
I will admit it's starting to get rare to see a Christian and Atheist agree on something these days.
Before we say cyber bullying let's wait till he replies, so we can see what thinks
@soullesschicken, you and I have the same belief. You're not Christian and yet you and I believe in the same thing for the same reasons. And did wordspeller say anything against you? NO! Did he accuse you of being a Christian? NO! From what you just said and you have said in earlier arguments, wordspeller only said those things that were offensive to me because I was a Christian. What do you call that? I call it a form of cyber bullying or just a troll. Look back into earlier arguments and you will see that it supports what I just said.
OK back ***Morally
***baby are in danger
OK @D3mned I dont have much time before this app crashes but I will state my opinion.
Abortion in my opinion is morrly acceptable wjne the mother and babbt ate in danger.
This discussion has gotten far, far off topic. It seems to me as if you do not understand my question, or that simply you do not care to think about it. Having asked it thrice, and receiving no relevant answer, I will now rest my case as I see no reason to continue debating. Good day to you all.
Wait what, wise guy? how? lol
Wait word, was that for me? If so, I'm not Christian at all. I'm atheist. I just believe abortion should be strictly controlled.
I'm glad for you got my point, soullesschicken. You might not totally agree with everything I'm saying, but at least you opened your mind to a new perspective. You are the wise guy Jerry was pretending to be.
And yeah, I must recognize my Ad Hominem. I think I was kinda aggressive in some parts of my text, but I did it conscientiously in order to don't sound stupid. I know how exotic my argument might be and I wasn't explaining it very well at the beginning, so I was trying to prove my point right as well as people were trying to prove it wrong.
Anyways, disagreement is healthy. If there was a single point of view for everything, we would never have evolved so far.
I agree with you, but an ad hominem is an ad hominem. But I understand where your coming from. I guess in that case it doesn't matter much.
Oh, and I almost forgot about gay people. They're massacred by Christianism for their "anomalous behavior". Just ask yourself this question "does it affect my life?"
No, so you shouldn't care about it. Just let them be happy.
It doesn't mean your kids will be pushed to practice these activities and end up ruining their lives (because this is a risk they will run). You will be always there to teach him about your Christian values and the biblical wisdom, SINCE it won't harm anyone else as it happens nowadays.
I don't want to kill God. I just want to live in a society where everyone has their own way of life and everyone respect each other :)
Leaving this past century's morality that doesn't apply to reality, we look forward to decide what moral should guide us throughout this new century. We go back to our great ancestors to understand how they used to do outside religion's boundaries.
We discovered that the ancients didn't care so much about how other people would feel, think or say. They only wanted to satisfy their own necessities without being disturbed. If a man wants to eat, he hunts an animal, cook it and eat. If he dislikes someone who's annoying him, he simply kills that person.
Moreover, and now I'm almost reaching my point in this discussion, if he wants to have sex with someone, he just hold that person on the ground and rape him. It doesn't even have to be a female.
It is obvious that this behavior MUST NOT be tolerated by modern societies, but it's on this behavior we must base our moral, because this is how human beings really are, not how we think it should be.
It's like Machiavelli used to say. We must rule based on reality, because we live in the real world, not an utopia of beautiful ideologies.
Expanding this thought to a harmonic social system, a crime must only be considered a crime when it's harmful to other individuals or society itself. That's why I said that I abortion should be totally legal. It's because it won't affect my life, only the lives of those teenagers. Isn't it a lot better to let them choose what they want for their lives than condemning them to eternal shame and despise and weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth?
Under this perspective, many things you consider wrong or immoral become totally acceptable, such as use of drugs, prostitution, gambling and etc.
Someone who smokes cannabis shouldn't be so repressed by society. Why would a person in Miami be concerned about what youngsters are doing in San Francisco? It doesn't make any sense. Prostitutes should have their jobs recognized and moreover they should win a prize for all the Christians they have consoled after all those false moralist speeches. I'd recommend them for psychological therapy. And gambling... Why the hell is it wrong?
If you think these things will somehow influence your children, you're totally right. They will live in a way more free and harmonic world than what we're living now, and this is good. A society where people are free to do whatever they want without having any problems with noone else is a perfect society.
Ad hominem? Me? He called me a sick person, a fool and a crooked man and I don't even know what a crooked man is :/
And sorry for my mistake. I meant to say "a dead person" and I'm sure you understood it.
I agree with you when you say that what I consider morally right isn't clear. I must confess that I spent my arguments on the discussion itself and I didn't say nothing about what they're based on.
Well, first of all I must clarify that Christian based judgments are abominable and the way Christians use it to condemn people can be compared to inquisition, once they forget about how merciful and good God can be and end up throwing every sinner in the pit of shame and despise. Nothing against Christianism itself though. It's all about how people repeat its moral values without even thinking about how damaging it can be to society.
This is a big mistake I think you guys commit in your arguments. However, this is just my opinion. Another great mistake is the illusion that human beings are naturally good. Actually people are guided by their interests since the beginning.
You might say that people are born good, but they turn out to be evil throughout the decades by living bad experiences. In my conception it is false. People are born with no sense of good and evil. An 8-year-old kid can be as evil and sanguinary as any grown up criminal, depending on the environment this kid is raised.
I myself have already heard a 12-year-old boy say that he had been robbing some houses to raise some cash, looking forward to buy a gun and kill a 14-year-old criminal who threatened to kill him.
Yeah, I know, my society is kinda messed up, but it's still compound by human beings :/
There are tribes deep in the Amazon Rainforest that live in a constant state of war. The reason? Women. They just want to have the biggest number of wives than everyone else, so they fight till death to steal each other's women.
Interests. No good, no evil, but interests.
And Jerry too? Dang.
Nice Ad Hominem word.
Fair enough, Word. About us coming from different backgrounds. But In your previous post before this question really exploded, you wrote: 'a dead people... Well, you know'. The reason the average pro-life person disagrees with abortion is because it creates these dead people you speak of! 'Not killing people' isn't 'last century Morality'. Please. For the third time, could you please elaborate on why you believe the act itself is morally acceptable? I am Talking about the killing of the fetus itself. Not why the fetus got there in the first place. It's a big part of the argument you've left out.
The first time I saw my daughter I was terrified because she was premature and not responsive. Once I knew she would be OK, I was amazed that my wife and I had made such an amazing tiny person.
I have never, and will never agree with abortion for convenience, but neither can I agree with making it illegal as there are cases when I feel it is the best of bad options. One of the girls I went to university with has spina bifida. If she ever gets pregnant, she will have to get an abortion because her body would not be able to support carrying a child. As long as there are situations like that, I will never support making it illegal.
I do support controlling it and believe that it is possible. Wordspeller described fraud as an easy way around the system, but there is a reason people aren't going out and reporting things stolen for the insurance now. You get caught. Claim to have been raped once, and likely the police will want to make sure you are OK and focus on finding the attacker. Claim you were raped every month or two, and either you are being charged or your boyfriend is for rape. We could control it, and at that point it is a matter of who does the controlling and what criteria are acceptable.
So beautiful words, man, I'm in tears. Now let's go back to reality. I've been trying to say since the beginning that abortion must be a right, not an obligation. Don't worry Jerry, your infertile woman will have always a kid to adopt.
It's a mistake, however, to consider that every mother will be glad to see a baby coming out of her womb, because with a baby comes a life of responsibilities that many young mothers can't handle yet.
And if you think that people who think like me are sick, well, I think the world is sick, because here where I live, mothers kill their children with poison even after they're already grown, so stop thinking that the world is beautiful because it is not.
Follow that a little further
The police come and take her statement, as well as a DNA sample.
Her report goes on file
No rapist is ever found
If she does this more than once, they will notice. She would be filing false police reports, and that is a crime.
If a woman gets pregnant and just doesn't want to take care of the baby then that is basically murder. There is a reason why there is a thing called adoption. My little brother and sister are adopted. I will not go into details on why but the mother and father were not able to take care of them and so they were put up for adoption. There are women who are born with the inability to give birth or something happens and they are not able to get pregnant. If every child was killed instead of put up for adoption then that woman would have no way to be able to take care of any child. My piano teacher has an adopted daughter from the Ukraine. I do not know the details on life before she was put up for adoption but she was adopted at a young age. She is now in her teen years and living a wonderful life. Why kill a child when you can let someone else take care of it and let that child live on? One more example. My sister. My sister would be a year younger than me. When she was in my mother's womb the doctors knew that she had a disorder. They gave my mom the chance to have an abortion. She refused. She gave birth to a little girl, even named her Jonna. Then two days later, the doctors told her that if she stayed alive that she would be bedridden and on life support her whole life. Not able to leave the bed even to use the bathroom. So she decided to let her go. The doctors took her off of the breathing machine and she died in my mother's arms. My mom is not sad that her daughter was not able to live. My mom is happy that she got to see her before she died. The mother may want to have an abortion or put the baby up for adoption, but once they see that babies face for the first time, there is a big chance that they will change their mind. And they will be glad they didn't have an abortion. If they are not glad then they are sick. And anyone who supports killing a baby who can't defend itself is sick. People who don't have a child of their own may not understand. But one of the greatest pleasures on earth is seeing your very own child for the first time and watching it grow up and become an adult. I can't expect anyone like wordspeller to understand that feeling either. Psychdave, you say that you have a child. How did you feel the first time you saw it?
Have you ever imagined that there's no way how to "strictly control" abortion?
A girl has sex with 5 different guys in a month, then she goes to the hospital and says:
- Hi, I want to abort my baby.
- Risk of death?
- No, I was raped.
- Ok, how was he?
- Ah.. I don't know... black and.. tall.. whatever, just kill the child.
- Alright, wait until your name is called.
What you are describing is not making it illegal, it is making strictly controlled. If it were illegal, a woman who was raped who got an abortion would be arrested and charged.
I agree that it should be controlled, and I don't believe abortion should be used as a form of birth control. The question then becomes one of where the line is and who decides.
Again with more hypocrisy. How many geniuses and great leaders have you already killed in the bathroom? Aborting a fetus that can't be sustained by a well-structured family is an act of mercy.
Psychdave, my mind hasn't changed. I still believe that there are be special cases where there can be an abortion. Those cases are when the mother was raped, or if the mother or baby is going to die. But killing a human being just because you don't want to take care of it is not a good reason. That baby could be one of the most successful people on the earth but if it's dead, it's nothing. Abortion should be illegal unless giving birth is life threatening to either the baby or the mother, or the mother was forced to get pregnant.
What changed his mind was Christian hypocrisy.. cof, cof... morality
About two weeks ago you said "If a girl is raped and gets pregnant then that is alright for an abortion, or if she and the baby will not survive." if this is still how you feel, then you can't believe that abortion should be made illegal, or even in these cases it would not be allowed.
If you no longer feel that way, could you explain what changed your mind?
Actually, all your arguments were based on biblical values, so you're not so impartial as you think.
If you don't want to talk to me anymore it's ok. That's how a fool is supposed to act as you said. I, however, will be always here to listen with love to everyone's opinion. Bye ;)
Oh wow that is offensive on soooooo many levels for me since I am a Christian, and none of my arguments on this topic were biblical based either. I will never talk to you on this app ever again. And here's why, Biblical argument alert: in Proverbs it talks about three kinds of people. Not only that but other things as well. First: the wiseman, teach this man and he will love you, he will listen to everything you have to say. Second, the fool, Fools don't listen to you but only like the sound of their own voice. Third, the wicked man, he goes around with crooked speech, winks with his eyes, signals with his feet, points with his finger, with perverted heart devises evil. I'm trying to decide whether you are a fool or a wicked man but I can't tell. You're kinda both. So without further a due. Goodbye.
You are using the argument that "rape is fun, so let's do this", "killing is fun, so let's do this" and this is completely insane. A rapped child will suffer forever with the memory of that terrible scene. A dead people... well, you know.
However if what you're doing doesn't harm anyone else, you're totally allowed to do it and yeah I'm including cannabis. Then you may think "but cannabis is bad to mental health" and I must say yes, but it's not my business if it's my neighbor who's using it. It could even be legalized, I don't care.
The only lives I care about are my family and myself, so I won't let my son spoils his life with that, but if you want so, go ahead. About sex, I'm totally ok with letting my teenager son does whatever he pleases with whoever he wants SINCE it's guaranteed he won't bring another child home.
I'm sorry, but I think I know the reason of our misunderstanding. We are from different worlds. I'm Brazilian and in my country debates tend to "how can we best replace Christian morality according to mankind's natural behavior", so when I talk about two human beings having sex I mean a man satisfying his sexual desires with a woman and not a daddy's son who has to keep the image and the position his family has in society or that girl that will be forever remarked as "that slut".
These sort of christian-based judgments sound too past century to us. That's why I'm saying that I see no problem with abortion. It's because I see no problem with sex before marriage.
actually psychdave, wordspeller has turned it into a gay argument. And no I don't mean happy argument. (fun fact: gay used to mean happy or jolly)
I never said sex was illegal. I never even said that word once in my entire argument. You say now that people should have fun if no one gets hurt, even yourself. But didn't your illustration say otherwise? You were talking about a man jumping off a cliff with a parachute. You said everyone of the risks he takes by jumping off but he still does it because it's fun. That is the opposite of what you are saying now.
So your saying that if a man wants to abuse his or someone else's child in private because it's fun that he should be able to do so with no consequences?
My point is that if you make something legal for the only reason that it is fun, then other people will abuse that. That is an absurd and childish argument to say that people can do something in private because it's fun.
And Jerry, not to subtract from your argument, but the question was about abortion, not gay rights. Just thought I'd let you know!
Word, I don't agree with the parachute example. The parachutist knows that if his equipment fails, there is a consequence he must deal with - death. If he brings an extra parachute and somehow manages to save himself of his first one breaks - that is a taken precaution. But no matter what he does, if goes precautions fail he must deal with death.
Abortion isn't nearly the same as the parachute in your example, because while saving yourself with a parachute isn't immoral, killing another human is.
About your 'fun'. You know what else is fun to us teens? Quite a few things. I was in a car with some friends who were smoking marijuana. The driver got pulled over and the cop immediately realized what they were doing. My friend 'took the risk' and then had to deal with the consequence of a revoked licence. Just because it is 'fun', it does not mean it justifiable, as Jerry pointed out in several examples.
You cannot justify abortion because the act that caused it was 'alot of fun'. That's weak justification.
And again, you are only examining the circumstance in which an abortion might be used, and completely bypassing the moral dilemma of abortion itself. I'm starting to get the sense that you don't care to do so.
Dude, you're out of your mind. Once something is considered illegal it must be repressed by authorities, but as far as I'm concerned, sex is not illegal or your parents would be criminals.
Yes, people should have fun in their lives and they shouldn't be worried about its consequences since it won't harm anyone (not even themselves).
You simply cannot compare two people privately having a good time to a psychopath who wants to murder everyone he sees. It's absurd.
I'm guessing that was a Freudian slip at the end and you meant abortion, not gays.
So your saying that anything that a man sees as fun he should be allowed to do. So your saying that drugs should be legal, psychopaths can kill whoever they want, trolls can run rampant and do anything, terrorist can take over cities, people can have affairs, people can steal, people can lie, cheat, rape, abuse, and anything like that because it's fun? Because if you make something legal just because it's fun then what is keeping you from making everything else legal because it's fun? It doesn't matter if it hurts someone or not, the point is that it's illegal and if you make it legal simply for the reason that it's fun then people will abuse it. You may not but you can't say that other people wont. Think of a better reason to make gays legal than because it's fun.
First of all, impulsive sexual desire isn't an emotion, so hunger would also be.
Second, I didn't say that people should take decisions driven by emotion and completely ignore the reason. What I said is that when two people want to have some fun, but don't want to take the consequences for that, they have the right to prevent themselves from committing mistakes that will lead them to those consequences.
Your examples don't actually illustrate what I'm saying, they only express what you could understand and I must say that you didn't quite get my point.
Let's use this example instead:
A person wants to jump a cliff with a parachute. The risks are that the parachute may not open, he may fall from it as it goes too fast and he may also lose control of it and end up splashed against the mountain or the on ground. He still wants to jump even after considering all these problems that may occur. Does he give up on it? No. He uses a reserve parachute, he put a helmet in his head, he ties the parachute around his body, he adapts the parachute so he can change its direction according to wind's direction and he prevents himself from every risk he may take during the flight.
Is he wrong for doing that? No! He just want to have fun. There is nothing wrong with that. So why is there anything wrong with sex? It's exactly the same thing. All the parachutist's equipment has exactly the same finality as the condom and if the condom doesn't work, we should push the reserve parachute of abortion.
So you're saying people can act on emotion always and never have to pay the consequence?
There are many things we may be emotionally driven to do, and they always come with consequence. Hate your job so you don't try at work? Fired. Angry at your spouse so you beat them? Arrested. If you aren't prepared for the consequence, then you aren't prepared for the action. If everybody acted on emotion, did whatever they pleased because they knew there would be no consequence, then the law and threadwork of society would be useless.
It would make sense if the means to negate the 'mistake' were moral. However, in the case of abortion, you are effectively ending the life of another human being, which is the reason many people disagree with abortion. People like I aren't trying to ruin teenagers fun. We are simply looking at the immorality of the act of abortion. You call us false moralists, yet I haven't seen you even attempt to look at the moral aspect of abortion.
It's not "my example". It's reality.
Eighteen-year-old men think about sex every ten seconds and sexual desire is so intense that most youngsters lose their concentration in regular activities such as studying, writing or reading. Men are bombs of testosterone and bombs are made to explode.
We should base the rules of our society on how things really are, not how we think it should be.
Sex isn't an accident, Word. The teenagers in your example destroyed their own lives. And catch my abortion argument on soulless chickens abortion question.
Who is this addressed to? if it's me I agree, I just didn't think of every scenario.
Abortion should be a right of the couple in any circumstances.
People who say that teenagers should be responsible for the baby they accidentally made are false moralists.
In one hand they want to protect the baby's life but in the other hand they don't realize that they're destroying the teenagers' lives.
If you don't have a sexually active life you shouldn't opine against those who have just because you think they're wrong for being different from you.
I guess so.
In that case, abortion would not be illegal, just heavily regulated and controlled.
Listen, rapes are a tough subject. I agree in rapes the fetus can be aborted, but in the case of a condom breaking or an accident I believe the baby should be born.
Yeah, what if it was a twelve year old girl who was raped - her body is not ready to go through carrying a baby. That is extremely unfair. You would rather let an innocent girl suffer than kill a fetus.
I agree it is horrible when they say that they weren't ready for being a mother but if it is the Mothering they don't want to do then they should put up for adoption, but if they feel that they can't go through the birth then maybe.
I propose another opinion. abortion should be used only in very rare scenarios where the mother and baby have a probability of death. People can fly overseas if they REALLY want an abortion. therefore illegal abortions will be low.
Yes because you are killing a human being. Even if it was caused by rape, incest, etc...you should at least put him/her up for adoption if you dont want them/can't care for them. It sickens me because you are killing a human, it's murder. Even if the baby might not make it, you should at least give it a chance. My sister was supposed to be in the grave. They told me mum that she was going to have a miscarriage, and that she could get an abortion, but she told them she didn't have the heart to do it. So she waited, and waited, but it never came. There is no excuse for abortion.
Well D3mn3d I will say this. Your abortion debating skill is excellent.
Although some may argue that it is 'not a human life', that is untrue. The fetus is undeniably alive, not an inanimate object. It contains all the DNA and genetic code to grow and develop, DNA that is strictly... Human. I ask then: if the fetus is not a human, then what is it?
Furthermore, there is the question of responsibility and right to life. In all cases outside of rape and incest, the truth is that there was a voluntary choice made to engage in sex. The result could be the creation of a new life. Now, who deserves life more? The question is difficult yet I find it hard to prove that the child doesn't deserve life, as if the parents can just make endless 'mistakes' and choose to not pay the consequences. This isn't school, or sports - it is far more serious. For these reasons as well as others I cannot morally support abortion. Feel free to counter!
If a girl is raped and gets pregnant then that is alright for an abortion, or if she or the baby will not survive. But for a woman who was too incompetent to not do what needed to be done to have a child or not be on birth control, then she needs to go through the experience of birth to teach her a lesson. She can then put the child up for adoption. My little brother and sister were adopted into my family. It is not that hard to put a child up for adoption, and then the mother knows that her baby is going to be in the best possible home and have a wonderful life. Then the child will have a life. Abortion to me should be illegal unless the baby or the mother will not survive or unless the woman giving birth was raped against her will.
So now take a look at women who get raped.... what about girls who get raped? are they yet fit to be a parent? the answer is no.... so if a woman does not want to go through the birth process.... why would you force her? isn't it a woman's right to do what she want to HER body? and you also have to look at the way people view a "living" thing. some say its when the sperm touches the egg and some say its until the first heartbeat. Anyway.... abortions should not be illegal
"isn't it netter to abort the baby then let it suffer?"
yea becuase life in the innner city and eternal oblivion are roughly comparable
i don't see it as ending a life, firstly. the foetus is not yet alive. Also, it feels no pain. Isn't it better to abort the baby rather than give birth and have the child suffer because you are unable, or unwilling, to provide the child a good life, basic needs etc? I think that if abortion is made illegal it will just lead to a rise in homelessness, abused/neglected children, and other such issues. A child is a big responsibility and for a long time. Why force such a thing onto someone who knows they cannot manage? Also, I think before trying to bring more children into the world, we should work towards improving life for all the children who are starving, suffering abuse, homeless etc.
Finally, regardless of everything anyone says, I think it should be the right of the pregnant woman to decide what she does.
its not wrong u may be ending a life but children and adults get abortion cause they either can't take care of the kid and give it a good life or there just not fit to be a parent
It simply is murder. You are ending a life. No matter the circumstances.
It simply is murder. You are ending a life
you are basically ending another's life for the convenience of yourself. if you are "sparing" the child from suffering in this world, then why would you yourself still suffer in this world. it's hypocrisy.
Please explain why.
no argument, really?