Agree if your down to start a Revolution Disagree if your still too asleep / oppressed

June 9, 2016, 11:47 pm

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The debate "Agree if your down to start a Revolution Disagree if your still too asleep / oppressed" was started by LawfulOne on June 9, 2016, 11:47 pm. 26 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 14 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

LawfulOne posted 2 arguments, citizenzero posted 1 argument, JakobBoghora posted 1 argument to the agreers part.
Nemiroff posted 4 arguments, RogueAmerican posted 3 arguments, historybuff posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.

LawfulOne, Nemiroff, SueAnnMohr, citizenzero, xaveragexjoesx, Austin7779, joey, JakobBoghora, moneybagboyz and 17 visitors agree.
SwaggerPoptart, DB8101, RogueAmerican, historybuff, froyojones, Dev, AzelG and 7 visitors disagree.

comrades lets fight!

3 years, 4 months ago
froyojones
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taxes are necessary to a functional government, otherwise how the hell do you fund anything? how do you build infrastructure? the problem with the thirteen colonies and Britain, was that they had no representation in the government that was taxing them.

3 years, 5 months ago

What kind of revolution that we're talking? Where should it be? And what kind of revolution? Social? Political?

3 years, 5 months ago

yu say decreased liberty as if that is always a bad thing. if you ban people from walking around naked in the streets that is decreasing liberty. but as a society we recognize that liberty must be balanced by the public good. some liberties have to be given up for the good if everyone. such as public nudity, public intoxication, restrictions on who can drive (a driver's license) etc.

the government absolutely reduces liberty because that is what they exist to do. to create and enforce rules for the public good.

3 years, 5 months ago
RogueAmerican
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The entirety of it. Do I fear a coup? no because it is unlikely. I dont place infinite securities in it though. I support men and women going to fight and even die for me if that seems too foreign to understand.

I fear the 3 branches; SCOTUS executive, and congress respectively because they all seek to expand their power beyond constitutional limits, and have in many cases expanded beyond it which has in turn decreased liberty

3 years, 5 months ago
Nemiroff
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so what part of the government do you not trust If your perfectly confident in the military? any other part of government can be easily replaced by we the people.

3 years, 5 months ago
RogueAmerican
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I am for the most part a libertarian but mainly a constitutionalist. I think the government should have no part in social issues like marriage, but i oppose abortion because to me, it is murder.

I support the military because that is the primary purpose of our government: to protect individuals. We arent a third world Banana Republic . The United States is a liberal state, and our military consists of patriots, not conscripts. So no, in the US, I do not worry about a coup.

I am not against regulation entirely. I am for regulating abuses.

3 years, 5 months ago

and to what does that translate to? your clearly not a hermit distancing himself from any government. you live in this nation, and I'm going to assume a supporter of the military which is the greatest threat to the citizens in case of an out of control government.

I shall also assume, (based on your right wing stance, correct me if I'm wrong) that your perfectly fine allowing the government to regulate social issues like who can or can't marry, or what medical procedure a woman can have in her body. but any form of consumer protection, or any government arm trying to actually protect the rights and welfare of citizens, the right seems to have a problem with!

3 years, 5 months ago
RogueAmerican
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Which instills a near hereditary distrust of government as a whole

3 years, 5 months ago
Nemiroff
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yes, the monarchies and other authoritarian governments were not governments of the people. but this nation is.

3 years, 5 months ago
RogueAmerican
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But there is a distinction between the more liberal history of the US and others

3 years, 5 months ago
Nemiroff
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"taxes are not necessary. that's why we left England. taxes are not necessary that's why we started the revolutionary war over a tea tax. money is not necessary. you want social reform band the people together. the majority will trump any thing. a government can retaliate in any way but it can do nothing with out the majority backing it. we are their military. their food workers. their farmers. their law enforcement."

we did not rebel over being taxes. we reveled over being taxed without having any representation in the government.

and you are right, we are the military, the workers, the farmers, and the law enforcement. we are also the judges, the politicians, and the government. it is "we the people". we did band together, and that union is the United states of America. as long as the people demand something the government cannot way no, or we will change every single person in it until it says yes.

Taxes are the way the government raises funds, and there is nothing wrong with justified taxes. however a money free society is an ideal that is the goal of several movements, but as yet there is no alternative.

3 years, 5 months ago

taxes are not necessary. that's why we left England. taxes are not necessary that's why we started the revolutionary war over a tea tax. money is not necessary. you want social reform band the people together. the majority will trump any thing. a government can retaliate in any way but it can do nothing with out the majority backing it. we are their military. their food workers. their farmers. their law enforcement. we build theirhomes pump their gas. fix their cars. they can't survive without us. they can not wipe us out and that's our greatest tool.
come on people if we really had the want and need to we could simply dismiss washington d.c entirely and making f***ing Nebraska the capital for no good reason. nothing can stop us.
that's why there is a fear campaign. their only tactic is a very simple one. divide and conquer. our country is a melting pot. it's not difficult to have us at eachothers throats they've become masters of it. even things we've over come they throw right back in. they try to desperate us by race. religion, sex, sexual preference, political views. anything to keep us divided. we had segregation but we over came that then there gays and aids in the 90s, then it was religion again then racism again then gays again. not its political, all you have to do is voice an opinion and the jackass to your left assumes your political stand point based off an isolated topic and now refuses to agree on anything you say.

no money no magical pieces of paper none of that will bring change. only unity

3 years, 5 months ago

excessive taxes? your taxes are some of the lowest in modern world. so why the hell would you fight about that? if anything you need higher taxes to support civil reforms.

what laws do you think you need to fight over? you are being very vague on why violent revolution is needed.

3 years, 6 months ago

Unfortunatly its near impossible to make change by non violent methods...as citizens atleast.

The laws, courts, & judges have been corrupted to the point of no return....atleast by anything us citizens can do without violence.

Our choices.
We either A, Fight for what we deserve NOW. Which is freedom from excess Taxes, Laws that support and defend civil freedoms and HOW the country is being run and regulated.
or B, we wait and hope for someone to get into power who will maybe turn the system on its head.
That very system btw is created and constantly supported to stay on its feet.


One day we will end up fighting again. Be ready. At minimum be aware of that truth.

"Stand Free or Kneel Chained"

3 years, 6 months ago
LawfulOne
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not ready no. but still fighting the good fight.
keep it up.

3 years, 6 months ago

yeah, it is kind of hard to debate a revolution without any idea what the revolution would try to accomplish. and even if I knew what if would try to accomplish i would be hesitant because revolutions almost never go the way they are planned. look at the Russian revolution. they wanted a country free of the tyranny of monarchy. they a got that, but just replaced it with the tyranny of a "communist" dictatorship.

look at the french revolution. they wanted to topple the a bad king and create a republic. they eventually would but they lost control to the Jacobins and had to go through the reign of terror. and then eventually they killed them too.

creating change by violence is a very dangerous thing. if change can be made with non violent methods it is a much better method.

3 years, 6 months ago

judging from your post on free public college I am going to assume your "revolution" involves finishing the coup seeking to steal power away from the people, eliminate all chance of social mobility, and ensure the dominance of the .01% in this country.

no I am not ready for that kind of revolution.

3 years, 6 months ago
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