The debate "Agree or disagree with abortion" was started by
March 7, 2017, 4:25 pm.
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That might be enough to see the common perception.
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Define the poor.
how is it torture on the mom's part? she should never have done it in the first place. it should be illegal to have sex before marriage.
Well...I am not completely agree or disagree with it...When it is urgently needed it should be done but not unnecessarily...
why do you think that? Obamacare has flaws, no one denies that. but it helped 10s of millions of people get health care. there are many worse things than that. repeating it over and over doesn't make it true. it just shows you don't actually think about the issue, you just repeat things pundits say on Fox.
well there is actually 2 new healthcare plans and anything can be better than obamacare
that article does nothing to compare it to the new plan... you can hate Obamacare or love it, but when you compare it to the new plan, Obamacare wins hands down.
why don't you try actually comparing the 2?
I think abortion is fine when it's regulated; this would be how long you can wait until the abortion, health, and doing it safely.
i dont think so
every medical group, doctors association, and economist disagrees with you.
do you have any reasons for your stance or is that just blind partisan talk?
well cant be worse than obamacare
pretty well everyone thinks this is worse. Republicans don't like it, Democrats don't like it.
unless you are a trump or Paul Ryan loyalist, this bill is terrible.
okay last time im gonna say it theyre making a new health care thats what they're fight right now about which one to pick quite frankly anyone would be better then obamacare
no one is claiming Obamacare is perfect. it has problems, in large part because of Republican obstruction, but that is not the issue.
the Republican solution to the issues is just to take health care away from poor people. this is no way an improvement. Trump is stuck between improving Obamacare, as the Democrats want, and saying screw you poor people and just repealing it, as the Republicans want.
theyre making new health care do you not get that?
give what a chance exactly? they are taking health care away from potentially millions of people. why would anyone give that a chance?
if someone put a gun to your head and said they were going to pull the trigger would you say give them a chance?
this bill is very flawed. there is no reason to "give it a chance".
why don't you give it a chance obamacare was failing they needed new healthcare
in what way is that healthcare that works?
they are taking health care from poor people and rewarding the rich and health insurance CEOs. I wish that were surprising, but rewarding the rich is what the Republican party is all about these days.
they're making a newer health care that actually will work
generally but not always. I will say some are poor that take advantage of the system.idk on them but I also know there are some who need it so it is a rock and a hard place with how it's setup right now.
Republican standing policy is to reduce social spending as much as they can. look at the what they are trying to do right now. they are trying to remove health care coverage from millions of Americans.
the people who want to prevent abortions are the same people who won't pay to support the poor.
to the ones that need it definitely. idk about the ones I've seen as a majority. still trying to find an answer on them.
so you want the government to fund large-scale increases to social programs?
good question. teach that a child is precious and should be considered. also that getting help is okay. change government to help parents with kids more.
How would you change society?
so u change how society thinks.
very easy solution. offer proper social support for children outside of the womb. and then we can bring more unwanted children into this world. some QUALITY community child care will also help younger and low income choose to KEEP their kids and not choose between an unborn child and their job or education.
big papa, its illegal to kill unwanted children outside womb but legal inside womb?
my main reasons to be pro abortion are the highly dangerous illegal abortions that take place in every place it is banned and the societal effects of the tsunami of unwanted children and an already underfunded orphan system.
or it can be the other way around and the baby can be successful
99% of the time it doesnt
abortion is banned in El Salvador , Chile , Nicargua , Dominican Republic and other 13 countries. I guess all the 193 nations should be on the list.
Abortion is bad.
well "protected" sex doesn't always work. stuff can get ripped
thank you someone who actually watched an abortion video
why do people dont have protected sex instead? Unprotected sex shouldnt result in the death of the baby. abortion is bad. bad. bad.
For rape, i guess......... it depends on the victim
For medical conditions where the mother might die, The doctor should try his/her best.
i changed my mind. abortion is bad. it should be abolished. The foetus does feel pain. It has senses.
If you feel abortion is alright, watch it.
im not forcing anything on anyone thats just what i believe in. im trying to change minds to save lives. pregnancy is a gift and you people destroy it. nice analogy by the way a muslim lol would of been better if you said a pacifist lol.
who is this directed at?
I would love for my money to go to such research. but I have not heard of any attempts nor do I have the know-how to do it.
if it sounded like I was meaning to be insulting I would like to say that wasn't my intention.
2%of the time its due to rape and incest the other 98% is inconvenience so i do study. and i believe that but 2/3 of abortions are happening at 8 weeks the baby has a brain a heart beat two legs two arms a spine its own dna so yes thats a person not a fetus unless you consider yourself a fetus right now
I'm claiming that science at this moment can't definitely say when consciousness starts. so why take the chance?
i dont agree or diagree with abortion. Medical Science should advance so that both lives could be saved. i'm pro life.
Also, feel free to find a better solution. If you aren't satisfied, find a better way. You can't insult anyone who is not actively looking for a new technology to avoid abortions being necessary unless you are doing so. Unless you are actually satisfied with murder.
you cannot make laws restricting people's rights based on your religious beliefs. that's like a Muslim person demanding America ban alcohol because it is against their religious beliefs. you can't force your views on others. and just FYI I'm not an atheist. I'm agnostic.
Are you claiming that consciousness exists before the brain has formed? That seems rather intellectually dishonest.
Right. Because all pregnancies are due to women being irresponsible. No one is ever raped.
Instead of being judgemental, how about you spend some time learning about the subject.
have u read "the giver"?
this is proof to me but we are debating with atheist so we must understand they won't accept anything the Bible says.
yes. I do.
okay tell me what a baby has at 8 weeks and tell me tge difference between you two
well do you believe in the bible
how do u know? we can't even define consciousness correctly. to say u definitely know it starts at point x is being intellectually dishonest. I would rather find a way to save a child than even having a chance to murder one.
maybe she should of thought about the consequences. oh yeah she still makes the baby pay for her mistakes an innocent human being. yeah women rights my a** what about the babies right
we aren't choosing who lives and who dies as there is only one person in this equation. there is a woman with a fetus in her. she is the only person here. and her rights trump those of a cluster of unaware cells.
why would someone ever get the right to choose who lives and dies let alone someone who is hormonal? not trying to sound rude but pregnant women arnt known for their rational thinking.
I wish there was a dif. way than that. that we could take the child without pain to the women(which each one I've talked to said it was worth it). are we even trying to find a different way? or does murder satisfy us?
and the other option is death and possible extreme regret sometimes to the point of suicide.
Look up some of the complications that can come with pregnancy and yell me that forcing someone to experience them isn't torturous. Hours of excruciating pain, potentially permanent damage, and possible lifelong complications from things like diabetes are all relatively common.
If you want a child, all of these things are more than worth it. If someone raped you, going through all this is just adding extra trauma.
it's an analogy. you are taking someone's rights to give rights to a cluster of cells that isn't even a person. and childbirth certainly is a painful experience, and could certainly qualify as torture if you are forcing it on them.
torture? a child isn't torture. it's a gift.
so if you had to torture someone horribly in order to save someone else, is that justified?
you are making a "the ends justify the means" kind of argument. you want to rob women of their rights because you believe that a cluster of cells has more rights than she does.
yeah but i bet one day they would really be glad to be alive rather then moms to end lives that are just beginning
and Republicans don't value a woman's right to control her own body. they would rather give rights to a cluster of cells that have no idea they're alive.
im honestly sick of arguing about this. people have no morals and obviously dont value life just lile almost all Democrats
why are you agree or disagree with abortion?