All drug use should be legalized

May 10, 2017, 7:23 pm

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The debate "All drug use should be legalized" was started by Ematio on May 10, 2017, 7:23 pm. 16 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 26 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

nifa posted 1 argument, Nemiroff posted 9 arguments, Ematio posted 1 argument to the agreers part.
neveralone posted 7 arguments, makson posted 2 arguments to the disagreers part.

Ematio, nifa, Nemiroff, kkay3002, MrLuke, SirIntegra and 10 visitors agree.
makson, thereal, TimRSA, C, lilgamer84, anonymously_change_the_world, The13yearoldconservative, RedstarIsWeird, dalton7532, bernie2020, tniromin and 15 visitors disagree.

Nemiroff
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murder rates are at all time lows and dropping. so yes, war on murder is a success.

can you say the same about the war on drugs?

2 years, 4 months ago
makson
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that is doing great! Humanity stopped many people of using drugs. It's like if you say 'war against murders is doing bad, let's kill everyone by allowing murders".

2 years, 4 months ago
Nemiroff
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how do you view the results of our nearly 100 year long war on drugs?

2 years, 4 months ago
benjaminmartn
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legalizing any drug other than that which is indeed needed for medical use is one if the key issues within society. Sure ot may geel good but is it really worth it? Drugs are suicide and to bring back Mrs Reagan's slpgan, i conclude with just say no.

2 years, 4 months ago

drug makes u a slave

2 years, 4 months ago

Shouldn't the government not force people to make good decisions? Freedom is being able to choose what you put in your body

2 years, 4 months ago

expensive = excessive

2 years, 4 months ago
Nemiroff
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how much damage do you feel their should cover? should they cover surgeries? should they be responsible for deaths? should mcdonald and other bad foods be held to the same standard?

this seems expensive, specially when considering that individual choice had a pretty big hand in this. I mean back in the day when tobacco funded science telling you they were great for health (a lesson for climate deniers, not the only example either) they should be held responsible, but everyone knows tobacco and alcohol are bad for you...

I'll be cool with a tax to fund education or services to help people fighting addiction, but not responsibility for medical damage people did with adequate knowledge.

2 years, 4 months ago
PsychDave
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Personally, I would set a threshold of market share to determine who has to pay into this pot. Anyone with more than 1% market share has to pay into that state's alcohol related incident fund. That way we don't crush small craft breweries but the governments stops cleaning up the alcohol industries mess.

If we took a similar approach with drugs, it would encourage them to find solutions to the problems to reduce how much they have to pay into the pot pot.

If we started holding all drug manufacturers responsible for the damage their drugs do (alcohol, tobacco, as well as those looking at being legalized) it would take a substantial health care weight off of the government, as well as encouraging industry to fix the problems, or at least not intentionally cause more for a slightly higher profit.

2 years, 4 months ago
PsychDave
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We likely would see the same issues with the alcohol industry, but society has felt with those problems for many years. Unless you feel like classifying alcohol as a drug and working on the issues there, it would be hypocritical to put harsher rules on drugs.

I think the alcohol industrial should foot the bill for treatment of alcoholic related cases, since by making them deal with the aftermath we give incentive to help fix the problems, but it is hard to find a politician willing to pass of such a large lobby group.

2 years, 4 months ago
neveralone
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would we not see the same problems as with the alcohol industry? maybe even worse since it's so addictive depending on the drug?

2 years, 4 months ago
PsychDave
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People die every year of alcohol poisoning, as well as alcohol related causes like drunk driving. The government regulates the industry, but doesn't own breweries and distilleries. That is exactly how I think drugs should be treated.

2 years, 4 months ago
neveralone
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their would be higher restrictions. since it can and will kill.

2 years, 4 months ago
PsychDave
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I don't know. Providing products isn't usually the best job for governments. There should absolutely be governmental oversight, but I think the public would be better served if it was treated like alcohol.

2 years, 4 months ago

if we were to legalize it I would definitely wish for centers to be the only ones to sell it and make sure the people don't od. I wish they wouldn't do it but just like sex outside marriage I know they will so I would prefer them to be protected.

2 years, 4 months ago
TheExistentialist
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Portugal isn't selling them, it's simply not arresting people for using them. you can still go to jail for large quantities or for smuggling them into the country.

2 years, 4 months ago
PsychDave
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Taken from the article.

In July 2001, Portugal legalized all drugs. Since then;
-drug related HIV infection dropped by 90%
-drug related deaths are second lowest in the EU

It does also mention that the legalization also corresponded to a shift in social programs, so some of the effects may not be directly due to the decriminalization.

2 years, 4 months ago
neveralone
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well I couldn't get it to load but I can see it's Portugal. what did they legalize? and how many percentage wise use it? they are probably making a lot of money off it.

2 years, 4 months ago
Nemiroff
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http://www.businessinsider.com/what-happened-when-portugal-decriminalized-all-drugs-2016-3

2 years, 4 months ago
neveralone
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what countries did that? their probably making bank.haha.

2 years, 4 months ago

no drugs are prohibited in the bible, just certain types of seafood. but it does say you must follow the laws of the land, so anything following the word "illegal" is forbidden.

there are many examples of people partaking in alcohol and living fine. perhaps with information and treatment options, excessive cases can be identified and treated before tragedy strikes. also many countries legalized drugs completely already, and their nations are not filled with junkies.

2 years, 4 months ago

I do not like Alcohol not because it's agaisnt the Bible. (as far as I know only getting drunk is) but for personal reasons I rather not discuss. but I'm very biased on this so my sight could very well be warped.

2 years, 4 months ago
neveralone
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never seen the movie.
they should be punished as well
middle class.

2 years, 4 months ago

Another thing to consider is that everything being said about drug use can be said about alcohol. Alcohol causes brain and organ damage. Some people use it with becoming addicted, and others it consumes their life and destroys their family. Why is there a distinct in western society between alcohol and other drugs? Could they not all be treated similarly?

2 years, 4 months ago
Nemiroff
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how about the drug use in wolf of wall street. I know it's a movie but it's a parody of real life, not an alternate universe. wall street is flooded with cocaine. it's known as the drug of the rich and the rich are not on welfare.

you never hear about them because they can do it in security out of sight and mind. how well do the hard working people fare in that neighborhood?

2 years, 4 months ago
neveralone
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why lie to professionals? their names won't be included. no one will know.
both technically. they get a job to pay for there drugs. if they have kids and they take food home the parents take it and sell it for drugs. they do work but they dont help society. all of them are on food stamps. physically drugs are better than skydiving. metal wise they aren't. haha. if only those people had enough for good healthy food. on drugs? well as a Christian I'm told not to use it recreationally but I do know how we're dealing with it now won't work. I would prefer a little of help sites and for the ones who refuse help other than jail idk. to make an accurate statement on if we should legalize it I would need a number. we need to know what stratedgy to use.

2 years, 4 months ago
Nemiroff
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amnesty protects them legally, and can be later overruled. it does nothing to protect them from the social stigma and fall out. They will still lie until public perceptions change. which is what that professor is working towards.

are those people you know lost individuals or functioning members of society? are drugs that much more dangerous than a person who enjoys skydiving or other extreme and potentially fatal activities? how about regular McDonald's consumers? that isn't healthy either. where do you draw the line?

2 years, 4 months ago
neveralone
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well I know plenty who hold jobs and do drugs. though to pull numbers like u say will be hard. maybe Grant amneisty? so we can find out which and act accordingly.

2 years, 4 months ago
Nemiroff
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drugs are all different. not all damage the brain, and you can get high off of anything from sugar to oxygen. I don't have the details about specific drugs off the top of my head.

lost addicts cannot hold jobs. if they were the primary customer, drug dealers would starve. yes they can steal for the money, but addicts aren't the smartest or most careful of criminals. They don't last long like that either.

I don't think we have actual numbers for this, going around asking people "do you do drugs and how well do you function on them" wont get you many honest answers for either.

2 years, 4 months ago
neveralone
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I meant the drugged ones as seen. apologies.
how many are like that though vs the ones who can't handle it.
why? drugs mess ur brain up pretty bad. depending on usage I assume u would get different results but the act of getting high does mess with ur brain

2 years, 4 months ago
Nemiroff
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because he made a choice as an adult. he enjoys it, he does it responsibly, and it should be his right to do it.

2 years, 4 months ago
Nemiroff
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I'm not sure who is the "they" you ate referencing

and I'm sure you seen it, they are hard to miss passed out outside crackhouses. what you don't see are the ones who go to work, pay the bills, and shoot some heroin in their home and look indistinguishable from you and me. They are invisible, but they also exist, are usual the silent majority, and they deserve consideration.

2 years, 4 months ago
neveralone
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idk what ur saying could u please reword?

2 years, 4 months ago
neveralone
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ur reading was interesting. it does amaze me that he does drugs and he is a professor. idk why he would do that drug though. out of all them it's the worst. u can't quit it cold turkey.

2 years, 4 months ago
neveralone
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do they care? addictions take over life's. I've seen it plenty of time where there's nothing left of the person beside the drug.

2 years, 4 months ago

l agree with this motion first we have to think also drugs isn't all of make the peoke but we have to see the benefit also for example can treat our healthy in this case that is one way so the goverment can control the user of drugs

2 years, 4 months ago

also, oding is less of a problem when you know what, and how much you are doing.

x grams of heroin may be fine, but the same dose mixed with phentynol may kill you. if you don't know, don't you think the risk of OD skyrockets?

2 years, 4 months ago
Nemiroff
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the word always is a caricature.

many people do become hopeless addicts, but many people don't.

http://www.wnyc.org/story/professor-drug-use-addiction-students/

just like the 90s ad campaign claiming weed will scramble your brain made kids dismiss anything the gov said about drug, spreading such misinformation, regardless of how well meaning, once people meet one or 2 well functioning users, they will ignore everything else you say about drugs as well.

2 years, 4 months ago
neveralone
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but oding will always be a problem and when dealing with drugs u grow an resistance to it and need to take more until how that road always ends.pain, suffering,and ultimately death

2 years, 4 months ago

it's debatable whether more people will use, but it's pretty certain fewer people will die.

everything from clean needles to knowing what is in and how strong is the drug will prevent many deaths. for example the phentonyl being mixed into heroin in random unregulated quantities is the reason so many people are dying from it in the US.

2 years, 4 months ago
Nemiroff
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why do you think more people will die?

2 years, 4 months ago

why should we kill more people?

2 years, 4 months ago
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