The debate "All ideologies are philosophical. Not all philosophies are ideological" was started by
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I'm not sure that I agree the level of knowledge that an individual has about the ideologies history defines whether or not there are philosophies linked to that ideology. Maybe an ideology like nazism makes a claim from philosophy without explicitly stating it. The person begins believing in that philosophical premise without ever having known about its roots in philosophy. Or a person may cherry pick parts of an ideology they agree with, discard the ones they don't like and replace those with elements of a philosophy or ideology that they appreciate. Either way the ideology still has roots in philosophy - either roots unknown to the subject, or specific roots defined by the subject.
No. ideologies are formed from philosophy wnd have roots in them, but if you follow an ideology and have personal philosphical ideals that are eiher unrelated in general or contrast with an ideology, you may still believe in said ideology. take naziism. a controversial topic I know but I choose it for an example and only that. Many 'nazis' did not believe in the philosophies that are tied to naziism, and instead believed in following he law (as their philosophy). they do not believe in the philosophy behind the ideology yet still believe in the ideology because of their personal philosophies. this means they aee seperate as both can exist without each other.
When I engage in debates with people, most answers come from some ideology, like a religion or a political consensus. Historically these things have their roots in philosophy, so by extension people who make arguments from ideologies are making arguments from philosophy.
But it is possible to escape ideologies by studying or developing philosophy itself and in doing so one argues not from ideology, but from the root behind ideologies. When you do the former you never escape being a student of philosophy. When you do it from the latter, you become a philosopher. As a student of philosophy you may always remain outside of ideologies, or conclude upon one or another ideology. As a philosopher you might always remain outside of ideologies, or found your own ideology based on your own philosophy. But at the end of the day, not all philosophies exist within ideologies wholly. Ideologies are philosophies made to fit together in a symbolic pattern, like "liberalism" or "capitalism" or "apologetic".
An additional question - are sciences also always ideologies? Or is it that not all sciences are equal. For example, physics might not be an ideology, whereas economics almost certainly appears to be an ideology.