The debate "All transgender people are not lying. Please elaborate if you disagree" was started by
April 12, 2015, 10:17 am.
By the way, transfanboy is disagreeing with this statement.
12 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 7 people are on the disagree side.
People are starting to choose their side.
It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.
PsychDave posted 3 arguments, Getmurked posted 5 arguments, transfanboy posted 4 arguments to the agreers part.
Shuttey posted 2 arguments to the disagreers part.
PsychDave, Getmurked, PandaKidd, The13yearoldconservative and 8 visitors agree.
transfanboy, hardikrawat, Shuttey, JMP9940, jonatron5 and 2 visitors disagree.
I'm glad you have people who support you. I hope things get better with your parents and that someday they understand, if they still do not.
Society puts certain pressures on people, and has certain expectations of them. If everyone expects you to be a certain way, and feel a certain way, it is hard to deal with the fact that you do not feel the way society says you should. It can be a constant feeling that something is wrong with you. This can lead to depression, isolation, and a variety of other problems. By changing who you are, you also change the expectations, which removes the stress, helping your mental state.
Another part is feeling one you do not belong in your own body. Imagine you woke up tomorrow in someone else's body. You would know who you should be but suddenly nothing is quite right. Every day thereafter you would have the feeling that something was wrong because who you are physically doesn't match who you see yourself as. You know who you should be, but that isn't who you are. It is hard to explain it, and I may not be doing it justice, but saying someone is just confused is to diminish what they are going through.
I am not transgendered, but I had a friend in university who was and I talked to him about it quite a bit. If I am not explaining it properly, I am sorry. I am doing my best to relate his explanations, and I may not be doing them justice.
and I feel very diffrent, more... me, and free. my school accepts me 100%, so that totally helps.
I decided to do it because I felt male, my gender dysphoria was growing, and being a female was making me a bit depressed. (the short version)
It has been mentally very painfull, as I have had to endure guilt trips, screaming sessions, ec via my parents. I have not been able to physically transition.
first, why did you decide to do it?
how was the proccess?painful?
do you feel different?(besides the obvious shit)
getmurked- go for it.
no, not the wrong gender, i didnt say anything about that.
and yes we are all human flesh, bonew, blood and whatnot, but when it comes down to specifics like genitals, testosterone levels, brain compositiom and certain issues we are different
may i ask some questions? i have never met a transgender before.
getmurked- yes, I am. I am a 12 year old female to male transgender.
Murk, men and women are made of the same parts, just shaped differently. And I don't see how that would make you feel like you are the wrong gender.
what are you trying to state? women and men are the same? i agree labelings an issue with regards to activities, style and jobs, but when it comes down to biology they are clearly not the same
transfanboy, are you a transgender?
i ask this solely out of curiousity, i dont discriminate
I Disagree. I don't exactly think they are lying though. Firstly, on of the biggest excuses are (using a man in examples) I feel like a girl. I just know I'm really a woman. The problem is though, how can you possibly know what being a woman feels like without being one? I also don't believe in masculinity and femininity. I believe people are just people. Being a male or female doesn't change how you think. And it certainly isn't determined by how you dress or what things you like. If a man likes dressing in dresses and skirts, it doesn't mean he's really a girl. That's just the style he likes. If a girl plays sports, it doesn't mean she is a boy. That's just what she enjoys. There is really no difference between man and woman. So feeling like the opposite sex and identifying as them is absurd to me, because it's all the same thing. The problem lays with society trying to label everything and saying you have to be one or the other instead of just saying people are people. Labeling and saying certain things are for a certain sex are what makes them believe they are the opposite sex. So, in conclusion, I believe that they believe they are born the opposite sex, but don't believe what they say to actually be true. I think they are just confused.
I don't know of any group what is entirely lying. Some people would be seeking attention, but certainly not all and probably not most.