The debate "Allah is the only one and Mohammed is his messenger to the people" was started by
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I never said you, I said "they" meaning other people who argue this.
however I've never heard the phrase "because of science" ever at all.
I don't say "because God did it". Using either of those arguments is useless because they are invalid.
you are right, but no one uses because of science as any argument. they say because of observation or experimentation. you should turn that around and stop saying "because god"
God cannot be proven, cannot be disproven. God is based on faith, but in a scientific, not philosophical, exploration of our world, that which cannot be proven should never be used.
even philosophically, I ask a question, and no matter what you say "God did it!" boring. How? Why? With What? And what specifically did he make? How does it work? that is science.
Technically, it hasn't, because it is impossible to prove anything.
And those points are only about a part of certain religions, not the concept of a God.
who said that? no one said science has disproven religion. it has disproven parts of it. (creationism, Noah's flood etc) but you cannot disprove something that was designed to require no evidence.
Why do people always use unrelated science against religion? It's not like a Christian in need of medical treatment will refuse it, saying "I don't want this, it comes from modern science" or a Muslim would say "I don't believe in black holes". People don't have to choose either science OR God. Many religious people also 'believe in' science as well. And as there is no scientific evidence that disproves the idea of a divine being, people shouldn't just use "Because of science" as a default argument.
Christianity is quite likely the pushiest religion of all time. And you should not generalize, I know Judaism at least makes converting as difficult as possible so that only those that truly want to join will.
all religions are imposing their opinions on other people. it is not a Muslim issue. it is a religion issue. Christianity is/was just as bad for it.
well that was what i have just been saying they are imposing their ideas on other people
As for purpose, if you need an external authority to give you purpose, I'm sorry but you are a tool. that type of thinking reminds me of an immature child or a brainwashed slave terrified of what they would do without their master's guidance. We are free people, with free will. You can choose your purpose.
if you choose to worship God because his awesomeness or glory, that's fine, but that was your choice, and I doubt you are a 1 dimensional character with only one purpose in life. Do you not strive to better yourself and seek success? is that for god? no, it's for your family. Do you not strive to seek friends? is that for god? no, it's for your happiness.
So even those of you who have relied on God to give you purpose have already found numerous purposes independent of God (unless you have truly given yourself fully to him and joined a monastery, in which case you wouldn't be here.) Therefore the idea that there is no purpose without God is ludicrous.
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Because Noone has proven God, God cannot be used in official explanations. However, no scientist will ever claim that God certainly doesn't exist because that is impossible to test, and many likely do feel he is the ultimate cause on a personal level. God is simply a matter of faith.
God is the easy answer to any question, and a dead end to human curiosity.
Science does not negate God. science is simply a collection of observations and conclusions based on rigorous experimentation. God doesn't fit into scientific explanations because God has never been proven, however, he has never been disproven either.
people got the wrong ideas of islams . they re not rough
Science does give you a reason to live. Think of the nebulas (nebulae?) in the vast, open universe. Think of the emotional connection between you and close ones. Now think of the medicine used to keep them alive and healthy and with you all the way through. That is done by science! Science is making telescopes to see the (plural version of nebula) which make beautiful scenes. Science finds ways to establish those connections between family and friends. Science is creating new treatments to have them stay alive throughout the years to come.
We don't know for CERTAIN, but we can lean towards (enter supported idea here).
H_muneer I personally think you're wrong about science. I am a definite atheist I only believe in science but my life isn't dull, I don't believe that we are born to die, and I can still have hope. for me we are born to experience. science has created the many wonders if the world and the universe, and we should all see them. for me it's curiosity that excites me. The wonder of is there love on other planets, how big is the universe, how did we get here, what are black holes etc. the mystery of it is beautiful, admittedly frustrating but also fascinating. The laws of physics are part of This mystery. so whilst religion may give you hope, so does science for me,
in my opinion all your hope is pinned against someone who may or may not exist.... whereas hope in science may actually prove fruitful I.e finding cures for diseases etc!
I completely understand why people might have religion, but having faith in a deity is no different from having faith in science...really...
so your whole argument is that religion gives you something to live for. Fair point. it does do that. but for a moment think of it as if you knew I was right. there is no God. everything you spend your time on is a waste because it is all a lie. is it worth it? you spend your whole life worshipping something that isn't there and in the end you go exactly where everyone else goes. saying it gives you hope is fine. but that isn't a good enough reason to believe in something with no evidence.
if someone told you they had utmost belief in the invisible aliens that talk to them you would have them committed. they are happy believing. but its still just a delusion.
All those who doesn't believe in God and more in science, do you think that laws of physics were a natural coincidences, there are some places where even they fail think of black holes whatever goes in doesn't come out. One thing science can never truly promise is hope, it doesn't give any true reason for you to live for because eventually you will die leaving nothing so why bother, thus in short people are born just to die. Eventually just science cannot create morale ethical value because nothing right or wrong if we go to purely scientific reasoning and that'swhere the religion takes precedence it teaches us the meaning of life especially the value of it the purpose of living for yourself and others, a light of hope in the dark providing humanity with the a burning will to go on and Islam gives the message of peace harmony love in short what science cannot define HUMANITY!
all religions are illogical. islam is no different.
Allah, God, Shiva or any such name, whatever you call him, her or it.. It doesn't matter, never did, never will. But a being or entity so immense, omnipotent and omniscient needs mere mortals to understand the nature, philosophy he follows. In the process of uplifting the mankind, he/she/it wants the impart the ultimate knowledge to us. But we are not on such level yet that we can understand what it wants to convey to us directly, hence a communicator is essential. All those who attained enlightenment, passed their graceful doctrine to us so are the messengers. I personally believe that Jesus Mohammad and many such are just his personification so that we can learn what life exactly means.
I'm sorry.I detect that there some non logical fact about Bible.
you are talking about something wrong about science but talking about a religious text. that doesn't make sense.
tell the sentence that brought the violence.what I only know it's Talmud,the Jewish book bring violence
you want to read a boring fiction book, read the koran. it's like Harry Potter. but much more likely to inspire violence.
want to know where is The God?read Holy Koran.there the answer.
mandala may be u should flip on discovery, nat geo channels etc sometime. Watch series like cosmos n likewise. n Alex if u think that scientific evidences are blind sciences than isnt ur full trust onto God more blinder. Has u seen god, has anyone seen god. Its just our great ancestors unable 2 explain the natural events that had occured on their time n had no explanation for it but to believe that a higher living form did it. Thus God was created with supernatural powers. I dont beleive in gods existance but I do beleive in the existance of extraterrestrial beings that may have played a role in our being here
I look at myself, I look at the world around me and I see science, I see biology, chemistry, physics, I see natural processes, I see evolution and I see the beauty of our universe but I still don't believe in God, or any God.
Why do you choose to believe in Allah over the thousands of other gods?
no. but natural processes did. there is no reason to believe that any God was involved.
look daniel over you ...look at yourself... look at the sky full of stars who can creat this presumably not a human
I love science so that's what I'm all about. so I do truley believe we are here purely by coincidence,
however if there is an intelligent design I would say it would more likely to be an experiment or something. the question i ask is how can anyone be that powerful??
the idea of a God is much nicer than just coincidence's of chemicals but there just isn't the evidence. and like I said I love science I follow evidence. I find it so fascinating. sometimes it's frustrating not knowing the truth of how we came about. but for me personally I can't believe in something I've never seen evidence of.
yeah... we all ask those questions... who is god who created him..who created who created him...etc .. but ...if oneday maybe you can read the saint coran you'll find that ... the whole universe is created by someone who is powerful enough to make the sun hit the earth ... just think about it
maybe oneday you'll say that i was right
and i hope so
didn't you ask yourself oneday ...why we are all here ?? why we are not who choose what to do...where to live...how .... and when ...
just keep searching and you'll find the truth
We are here because of millions of years of evolution. Chance mutations lead to advantages which enabled survival. eventually leading to the way we are now.
so yes its a miracle here, in the sense that if just one or two of these mutations hadn't have happened then we wouldn't be here. But I don't believe we were created by another being.
because then you have to ask your self, if we are created by God, who created him and then who created them and so on!
No, saying I don't know everything doesn't make the evidence meaningless. I don't know everything about how cell phones work. I understand the basics about how they talk to the towers, and I understand the principles of the electronics, but I wouldn't be able to make one. That doesn't mean that I have blind faith in them, it means that I am not an expert. Admitting that you don't know everything is very different from admitting that you don't know anything.
and science has proven that mankind is no miracle. we a product of evolution. no God snapped his fingers and created us.
yeah your right but in the coran God says to look at ourself we are a great miracle
I am saying because I am not a scientist I do not know everything about science but what I know is that there is evidence for these things. You literally can't deny that.
But what evidence is there for God?? there isn't any?
if there was no GOD "allah" you certainly would'nt be here .... GOD has created what you see around you ... GOD has given to all of us a brain to think ... and to search if there was GOD or there wasn't ... i'm just saying that ... you should maybe read the saint Coran ... you'll probably find some miracles ... some miracles even nature itself can't creat it .... but someone who has power to make someone die in just one mictosecond ... just think about what i'm saying ...
isn't the "I don't know" part making the evidence worthless. the evidence could be complete **** if you don't know what it is. that's why it's "blind" you are believing in evidence you don't know if it is right/wong.
Only a fool reads "this has evidence supporting it" to mean "I believe without evidence". Please at least try to be rational.
so she has "blind science"?
no. she's saying "I don't know, but this has scientific evidence supporting it. so it sure isn't a magic old man sitting on a cloud that got made up a few thousand years ago." OK that's what I'm saying. she can answer for herself.
so you don't know, but there is evidence for the thing nobody knows about.
you basically saying "I don't know what happened but it sure wasn't God"
I'm not a physicist but when the big bang occurred matter was blasted out creating the universe, chemical reactions occurred and over billions of years planets etc were made.
granted know one knows the big bang actually happened but there is evidence for it.
I'm not saying there was no intelligent creator. one of my theories is that we are all a big experiment by some other intelligent species.
I'm just saying i don't believe in a God. :)
what created the chemicals that made the cells?
and where does ideas of God come from???? stories in an old book!
what created the first single cells? science and chemicals both of which there is evidence for!
I'm pointing out the flaw in your way of thinking. can you answer my question? no, science can only guess.
That's a loaded question Alex, your question already implies a creator. You have not established that there must be a creator with enough certainty to assume such. Abiogenesis is a perfectly viable alternative to the magic man in the sky.
who created the single cells that evolved into us?
them who created man?
agree with historybuff, man created religion not the other way around
there is no God. both your religions are a lie.
who told you this
JESUS IS GOD!!!