Atheism make us distinct why would any women love to feel suffering of pregnancy it's pointless

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September 25, 2018, 2:07 am

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The debate "Atheism make us distinct why would any women love to feel suffering of pregnancy it's pointless" was started by an anonymous person on September 25, 2018, 2:07 am. 24 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 13 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

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Nemiroff
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there is no creation vs evolution. evolution is a fact. the question is if it was all set up by sentience or inevitability.

and neither of those questions are religion specific. the existence of God may be a yes or no theory, but which religion is true is like best ice cream flavor. all of them have the same arguments, the same fervor, and the same confidence.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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believing in humanity means believing in the ability of humans to come together and solve their problems.

your view of religion seems to be that left along humanity would degrade into wild dogs. that is not having faith in humanity.

do you think that design was intentional?

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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high motivation for ethics doesnt mean highly ethical, especially when those motivations are selfish. a person living with abuse is highly motivated to not misbehave, that doesn't make them a good person, it just means they are living in fear. and it certainly doesn't mean that everyone should be forced to live with abuse to prevent bad behavior.

2 months, 2 weeks ago

. religious people have extremely high level of motivation for ethics , depend on the believe strength

2 months, 2 weeks ago

because Morales are degrees , there are ethics need a high level of motivation , even with some reward , you can't convince alcoholic to stop drinking because it's good , he drink for years , actually he knew it's good because he will get benefits , and he can't stop ,
. you see with some material benefits and you can't stop it , and if we try to stop them with no benefits that will be funny , there are atheists don't care if they harm themselves or even die , because life it's meaningless , that's why they commit suicide , and i don't think kant idea can stop them

2 months, 2 weeks ago

. i don't believe that true goodness don't exist , god had put that goodness in every one of us , it comes with rationality and wisdom , if they have opportunity to harm someone they say what if i was him , thus people who love good and the truth , god will guide them , and they turn religious , actually if there is no goodness in humans they will not even think about religion
. what am saying is , sure there is people do good because it's good like Kant said , but that not the solution , you can't convince people about it , and can't be applied in society

2 months, 2 weeks ago

and what did you mean ( believing in humanity ) do you mean that believing the humans are special , that's religious , but with materialism view humans not , humans are contained in nature , nature is the center , and as Hitler said , we must be like nature , and nature don't know mercy )

2 months, 2 weeks ago

back to morals
. it's very simple why we debating in the first place , how you can stop someone who want to steal with no one watching
. how you can convince atheists to give charity , as social Darwinist Alexander tille said that its a big mistake to try to stop the poverty or to help the weak , just the trying of helping thus is a fundamental mistake in the theory because its contradict with the natural selection
. do you treat animals like people , if not , why not , and do you treat black people or low race people like high race people

2 months, 2 weeks ago

and your icecream argument doesn't apply for religion , religion debating about if it true , like any theory , i have never hear anyone say ( my icecream is right ) that's horrible argument
. but there is is theories , ( evolution vs creation ) ( no beginning universe vs the big bang ) can you apply this here

2 months, 2 weeks ago

1 . i don't know where you get these informations but today jews believe in afterlife : https://reformjudaism.org/blog/2012/05/10/do-jews-believe-afterlife

2 . and if you meaned another time or old jews please justify , i though that you saying that there is no afterlife in the torah , because it's not authentic for me

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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I'm saying that there are those who do good for no reward.

and yes you can twist and say everything is for self satisfaction or the joy of being thanked... but that just means the person saying such thing believes true goodness does not exist. it is all lies.

I do not believe that, thus, one who derives joy from doing good is good, and is not selfish in my view. the twisting argument is just semantics and propaganda to justify evil.



that had nothing to do with the subjective justification for the various religions. I believe my point still stands unless I didnt understand you there. everyone says "mine is right" with equal fervor, be they Muslim,Christian, jew, or Buddhist. it's all the same. just like favorite icecream flavor.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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I never said you follow the Torah, the subject was not you, but humanity.

the Jews were given no threat/promise for the afterlife, and yet followed their faith devoutly through millenia.

therefore I question your claim that people need this risk/reward, and whether a good God would reveal it. I do believe that such a promise is very comforting to people, and such a threat could create strong loyalty. the source of such promises sounds much more like the humans mind.

2 months, 2 weeks ago

but there is a pure good , it's god , he do the good without any reward , actually no one can reward god

2 months, 2 weeks ago

that's good question
i don't think people are evil by default , but i do think that the consequences of people choices can be very evil , if you think about it , there is no one can be purely evil , i mean it's impossible to any being to love the evil itself , even the devil , but what they do love is that the evil can bring them pleasures , that why people can harm others to satisfy their desires , even they will harm themselves like drinking alcohol , smoking , drugs ...

2 months, 2 weeks ago

2 . you proving what i am saying , this what you called subjectivity is just self interest or self desires , of course there is people who loves movies that other don't like , but there is also a scale for quality of movies
and i don't think there are strong philosophers who debating about movies
anyway that's not our case

2 months, 2 weeks ago

. no , all the religions is the same religion with different prophets , and the Message have three pillars , knowing god , knowing afterlife , and learning the road for afterlife which included morals and worship ,
. and why i am supposed to defend idea i don't believe in , Torah is corrupted , it had many contradictions , why you think i believe in it

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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once again, the math analogy is not valid. I give you $1, then I give you another $1. how many do you have? there is no mystery.

rather than math, religion is like someone's favorite movie. everyone says their's is best everyone has equal conviction, and everyone has the same arguments, all of which sound equally strong.


I don't have a problem a problem with the existence of evil, but there are some concerns I have like why so much, and why natural disasters that have nothing to do with free will, but let's try to not talk about every subject at the same time.

I would like to finish on the topic of moral choice, and my point is there is little difference between the religious and the not. much as you claim the faithless act out of self interest, so do you. and much as I have encountered religious people who at least claim to only do it for the love of god, we have the atheists who choose to not steal for the sake of goodness with no reward or judgement.

it was the secular era that brought the fight for equal rights and fair treatment of all. not religion.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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God did not reveal the afterlife to the Jews and they have the least oppressive history of any religion. God told them of his existence, and the way he wants them to live, and without any punishment or reward, they obeyed.

you have a very low view of humanity that I do not share. you seem to think that people are evil by default.

how can I, who believes in natural evolution, have more faith in the goodness of humankind, then you who believes we were all made by a perfectly good being? it's almost as if you believe we were made by a devil.

2 months, 2 weeks ago

. and if god is just because he put justice in the world why he is not unjust because he put the injustice , no god is not unjust because justice is a perfection and injustice is imperfection ,
. if anyone have a lot of money he can give money to others , he can choose to give you or let you poor
. but if he is a poor he can't do anything he just let you poor
. the same to all perfections , if one is knowledgeable he can choose to teach or choose to not , but if one is ignorant he can't give knowledge

$$ so strong argument

2 months, 2 weeks ago

actually my arguments are simple ,
. one said 1 + 1 = 2
. and the other saying 1 + 1 = 3
you can't say there is no truth

2 months, 2 weeks ago

arguments can somehow seem equivalent to close minded or dogmatic people , but if you compare the two sides with critical thinking it is impossible to stay confused
unless you don't want to know

2 months, 2 weeks ago

and are you turning agnostic , truth never be relative , and this is not an argument , because you can use it in every debate to escape

2 months, 2 weeks ago

yes god can test us without revealing any details of the afterlife , but you can imagine how humans would be , and because god is merciful he send his messengers , to never unjust anyone , and in the judgement day you can't say i didn't know , because you have receive the message
. and as i told you , these questions you will find answers if you study Islam , i can't answer everything because i don't know everything ,

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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unfortunately, unlike math, both you and your counterparts have equally persuasive arguments and equally confident declarations.


"have you ever think why would anyone pray 5 times a day and treat people nicely , without anything , no material reward , this questions you make I have questioned long time ago"

who needs material reward when you are promised eternal paradise and being spared eternal suffering. your actions seem entirely driven by self interest. I see no difference between the religious and the atheist. there is no virtue in self interest.

if god truly wanted to test the virtuous he would have never revealed the details of the afterlife.

2 months, 2 weeks ago

and yes ambitious people who want to be subjective , not the religion , because subjectivity = there desires
. if I refuse 1 + 1 = 2 doesn't mean that math is subjective
. I refuse it exmpl : because it make me uncomfortable or doesn't match my desires

real example :
. I teach math and I have a lot of followers and that bring me fame and money , and unfortunately a theory come up and it doesn't match what am teaching , and the theory is a real fact , if the students find that the theory is real I will lose everything and the students will go to another teacher , so I will refuse it ,
that's why people don't want believing in god

2 months, 2 weeks ago

and Shia vs Sunni post , is what you ask about why people debate inside the Islam , God test don't stop when you just believe in him , it keep going until your time is up in this life

2 months, 2 weeks ago

have you ever think why would anyone pray 5 times a day and treat people nicely , without anything , no material reward , this questions you make I have questioned long time ago ,

2 months, 2 weeks ago

I know that Christians don't even read the Bible but that not apply for us because we have to many Muslims even children who memorized the whole Quran , not just read it

2 months, 2 weeks ago

he do you say that in the Quran , Noah is nude drunk , ## we read the Quran everyday five times a day in our prayer , not the whole the Quran five times but versions ,
# actually we use this argument when we debating Christians , because it's horrible

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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it's not just the Christian's, but every original version of the story has the drunk scene. why wouldnt I assume the original version is not the most accurate?

i didnt understand your shia vs sunni post at all so please dont be upset if I being up the issue again in the future.

2 months, 2 weeks ago

. and your system doesn't make sense , because if we hear a voice , that doesn't need a believe and faith , that will be very exposed , the test is about believing in the unseen , logical believing in something is an advanced mind tool , and seeking knowledge and truth what make humans special from other creatures , even Angeles

2 months, 2 weeks ago

and don't give me stories from the gospel or the Torah or the Vida , I believe in the Quran the must miraculous book in the world , and I have proof for Quran miracles but in another debate

2 months, 2 weeks ago

and why , Shia vs Sunni , as you say , there always ambitious people who use religion for satisfying there desires , and that must be true religious people vs ambitious religious people , because you can't satisfy your desires with the true religion , so you must misrepresenting the Quran arguments , and God make the Quran could be misrepresented on purpose , to test and filter the whole hearted believers from the hypocrites

2 months, 2 weeks ago
logical_bomb
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he you are not debate a Christian , Quran never say Noah was a drunk , and I told you that the Christians Bible is corrupted , logically God will not select a nude drunk man , Muslims have another story about noah

2 months, 2 weeks ago

heres another evil thing God did. after the first 9 plagues of egypt god told moses that he will once again go to Pharoah and demand release of the Jews, but God will steel his heart (take away his free will) in order to justify further punishment.

If the Pharoah already deserved that punishment there would be no to justify it by removing his will and making him stubborn... but if he did not deserve the final punishment, then God was wrong to force him to commit further sin.

furthermore, god's punishment extended to every house in Egypt, including many people who had no say or participation in the slavery brutally murdering innocent children (why children again?)

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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noah was a prophet right? from the flood...
after finding land did his children not find him drunk and nude?
so not all prophets are impeccable.

I'm not saying God is bad, I'm saying his morality is just as subjective.

if religious morality is so objective, why do religious people of even the same faith debate its commandments and meanings?

2 months, 2 weeks ago

how we know if God is wise , because we see wisdom in thing in life and he who create the wisdom so he most be more wise the anything

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. and because logically god can't tell you a bad things. if someone hit broken arm it's a bad thing , but if a bones doctor say that , that's called wisdom and knowledge , just tell me one bad thing God say do it

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the Bible are corrupted this is why many Christians turn atheists , because they don't have answers

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. and are you serious , how God can select a nude who drink alcohol , this is the corruption we talk about , prophets are impeccable

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1 . yes prophets are humans , but they are not like us , I don't mean they not like us the way they have two brains or something , no , because the good inside of them , where that good came from , from their choices in life and freewill , they always choose the good path , humans are degrees in good and evil , so God select the best of good people to take the responsibility of the message , and they have more responsibility then us and the test will be more advanced , and of course God will reward them better , and prophets are always have big troubles from disbelievers they torture them and kill them , and they never stop to speak the truth ,

. disbelievers are in all ages , not only in this age , if disbelieving come with science they most be not existed

2 months, 2 weeks ago

here is another way religious morality is subjective: even within a religion there is little agreement. Sunni vs shia, Catholics vs protestants. each one sees a different version of the laws.

why does an all powerful, perfect god, who made us from the inside out, have to teach us thru a confusing book in need of massive interpretation by human clergy? one would think he would just implant clear and concise messages directly into our being, like a voice in our heads telling us something is wrong, (like a conscience which we all do have), and the free will to choose to listen or ignore.

no need for human interference or misinterpretation. a perfect system free of confusion while preserving choice. makes much more sense doesnt it?

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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"1 Abraham is a prophet that's not apply for us"

a prophet is only a messenger. he is still human, and has the same weaknesses. just look at prophet noah who drank to excess and was publicly nude.

"2 Abraham had the believe that God is perfect and he can't tell us to do bad things even if the thing seems to be bad"

so whatever God tells you to do, even if its horrible, is good. that sounds very subjective, he can even change his mind.

secular societies enforce decency laws (although not to the level of full body coverage), they enforce urination laws, they enforce murder and theft laws. the only thing that religion adds is what to eat, when to pray, and what to say when you pray. I'm sorry, but those are all simple self improvement tips, which is nice, but nothing to do with morals.

2 months, 2 weeks ago

there is big deference between intention to obey the God wisdom and to murder a child , why he even love to murder his child ,and not these will not solve atheism Morals problem >> distinction

2 months, 2 weeks ago

if you talking about Abraham in materialism view , that's not make sense , his son is his genetics , and if a religion view 1 Abraham is a prophet that's not apply for us , 2 Abraham had the believe that God is perfect and he can't tell us to do bad things even if the thing seems to be bad , and to test these believe God give the test , and unfortunately God stop him , I don't know how you heard the story but it's simple , and Abraham intention is to obey the God wisdom , if he knew the why the test does not make sense

2 months, 2 weeks ago

that's true ambitious people can use religion to satisfy their desires , but that's not mean all religions are false

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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you dont know how ambitious men could use religion? have you never heard of the crusades? the jihad? wealthy priests using their religion for greed? or oppression?

ambitious men using religion is 90% of our history.

and what of god's purpose? in sure he does have one, and it has nothing to do with the number of hours you pray or what you eat. religions arent about his purpose, but how YOU live YOUR life.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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and to past the test, abraham was expected to obey and murder. even with the intention of stopping the act, had abraham told God "no, killing is bad, and killing an innocent child is even worse", would God still have considered that passing?

2 months, 2 weeks ago

and we are in test in these debate , do we choose the comfortable lies or the truth

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Abraham say he love God so much so God test him , the real test is what he will choose god or his son

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God tell Abraham to sacrifice his son , not to sacrifice it really , it's all about intentions , and to pass the test , for the love of God , because Abraham love God so much that the meaning of worship God , God created us to know him and love him our big test about if we can sacrifice our desires for god , there for to benefit us
# these is the law God created in nature , you must sacrifice and feel some pain to get the big benefit , example if you go to the gym , you must feel the pain of exercise to grow your muscles , and these what make us special from angels , we worship God with the obstacles of desires , Angeles not , they have no pain no pleasure

2 months, 2 weeks ago

and those questions are just branches , if you don't believe in God existence , how you ask about Abraham and his child

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and no , if god are real there most be a true religion , because he won't create things without purpose

2 months, 2 weeks ago

explain how ambitious people can be use the idea of god

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the question is why God didn't tell Abraham to kill his child really , why there is nothing evil God say to do

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Nemiroff
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back to your point about reward. if the only purpose of God is to punish then you could see how the idea of him could be used by ambitious people.

assuming God is real, all powerful/knowing, and is good.... why does he care what you eat, or how often you praise him? I'm guessing he told a bunch of people who kept dying from heart disease to stop eating pork and lay off the liquor and the humans turned it into commandments some would kill over.

God may be a possibility, but religions are blatantly false.

2 months, 2 weeks ago

God is a subject. Therefore even morals from a god are subjective.

2 months, 2 weeks ago

Abraham's son was not a criminal killer, he was an innocent.

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Nemiroff
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but wasnt what God told abraham to do was wrong?

if gods word makes bad things good, then your morality is equally subjective

2 months, 2 weeks ago

and the hypothesis that if God tell do bad thing is wrong , because it's contradict with the definition of god

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yes of course , actually he does , in the Quran God say we must kill who kill , a criminal killer , but in conditions , not me who kill the criminal , it's the law , and 2nd if the victim family forgive the criminal we can't do anything

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Nemiroff
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ok then, I'm not sure what the confusion was but my point remains.

God came forth, told someone to kill, and expected them to listen.

so if God comes to you and tells you to go kill (as he has done before), will you?

2 months, 2 weeks ago
logical_bomb
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yes of course

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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the story of abraham is what I'm talking about. did it involve him being told to sacrifice his son by god?

2 months, 2 weeks ago

I don't know your information so I can respond to it

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and the story of Abraham is in the Quran dear

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no , the Bible is the Torah + the gospel , the jews had the Torah , and when prophet Jesus came with the gospel he gather it in one , the bible , I don't know the whole story

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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you claimed that christians screwed up the bible, but jews should have been immune. so they have the original tale.

do you not know the story of abraham? are you saying the sacrifice commandment never happened?

2 months, 2 weeks ago

I don't know how Jews believe , lol am not representing all religions here

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Nemiroff
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if the problem is Christians, then Jews who came before should be untouched by Christian hands as Christians were the ones mostly hunting Jews, not supporting them.

also many Jews from the middle east far from Christian lands believe the same tale and it is the symbolism behind the location of the long destroyed jewish temples. thus it is no modern or even medieval manipulation but the original tale in its purest form.

2 months, 2 weeks ago

we believe that god is the unlimited good , and he never told us to do something evil , even if that thing seems to be evil it's actually is more good , and only with knowledge you can see the deference , example : if you see someone grabbing a little child and he pressing on his arm bones it's seem he wanna broke his arm , you well say that's a criminal but unfortunately he is a bones doctor , and the good thing in Abraham sacrifice his sun is to passe the test , that called wisdom , just give one evil thing God say do it

2 months, 2 weeks ago

no it's not apply to Muslims , you have too little knowledge , Muslims believe that the Bible is corrupted ,
why God let them corrupt it , because God give to Christians the responsibility of the Bible , I mean the old ones , not those

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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you would think that, but he did when he asked abraham to sacrifice his son.

and we know abraham passed the test, but did he pass by saying "no, killing is bad and you cant command me to do it!", or did he pass by taking his son up a mountain with every intention of murdering him?

2 months, 2 weeks ago

God is the unlimited justice , he give the punishment for who deserve it , and give the reward for who deserve it , and no God will not tell us to do bad things , because it's logically impossible

2 months, 2 weeks ago

that's in the old testament, so it applies to Christians, Jews, and muslims.

what religion are you so I can make proper references?

and I still dont see the difference. why do you think that without a "carrot and stick", people would be savages commiting atrocities? even if not in gods image, you do believe we are his "special creation". what kind of a perfect intelligent designer made such flawed, sinful creatures as his highest acheivement?

you have far too little faith in humanity.

2 months, 2 weeks ago

and the deference is there are times when there are no material reward , ( no one watch you )

2 months, 2 weeks ago

and I think you understand me , because , #1 doing good things for people sayings is weak motivation , especially in these times
#2 what if no one watch you

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first , people are not made in God's image , logically that's not possible , God is outside the space and matter and time , he didn't have limits , he who create the limits , and I am not Christian

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Nemiroff
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"even if there are they will do it , for people to say he is a good person , that's a reward"

but if you say:

"to love doing good thing because he will reward me , and to fear of doing bad things because he will punish me"

you are also just doing it for the reward. there is no difference. and according to you, people (supposedly made in gods image) are savages who would commit atrocities without some sort of incentive.

what would a religious person do if God came down and told them to murder? is murder now good?

2 months, 2 weeks ago

I didn't understand , but do you agree that atheism facing a problem with Morals

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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are you telling me the clergy of any same sect of the same religion never debate meanings and laws? they never disagree?

your expecting the ridiculous.

eitherway, as far as main stream theists AND atheists, there is the agreed upon findings of science

2 months, 2 weeks ago

even if there are they will do it , for people to say he is a good person , that's a reward

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lol give me one atheist who give charity

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you can't apply idealism , I think I was very clear , human behavior all about reward , how you can convince yourself to do something for nothing

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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well what do you expect when you define the group by a negative feature. like *not* theist.

it literally fits everything else into 1 category.

maybe be more specific

2 months, 2 weeks ago

there is no way to apply this on reality

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Nemiroff
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can't you understand how a group identifying as *NOT* believing in something could believe in varying things?

2 months, 2 weeks ago

as I was saying you can't get a stable point of view from atheism , Sam Harris say there is no free will

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god add the fuel in my heart , to love doing good thing because he will reward me , and to fear of doing bad things because he will punish me , if I want to steal I will remember the judgment day , and that make me never think about it

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Nemiroff
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the fact that there are no consequences makes the act of leaving it all the more virtuous.

believing that a perfect person is watching you, judging you will make anyone *act* like a saint, but really they are just prisoners of fear.

2 months, 2 weeks ago

you must know that materialism had a big problem with morals

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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free will is the only thing that will stop you. that will help you identify what is good and bad, but you can choose to act how you want.

but, a person doesnt need to have a specific theory to know what is good or bad, just like you don't need to know how an engine works to drive a car. it's common sense.

you never answered my question. what does God add to your morality?

2 months, 2 weeks ago

OK let's make the scenario , there are a big amount of money in the front of my eyes and no one can catch me if I steal it , and while am picking it up " wait it's moral contradictions I can't do it "

2 months, 2 weeks ago

so are you saying that (( moral contradictions )) will stop me from doing bad things

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that's the type of arguments I want to see

2 months, 2 weeks ago

if I want to kill and steal, it will benefit me, but if others kill and steal, it will hurt me. If you are ok doing something, but not ok with others doing the same thing, that creates a moral contradiction. and if something is a contradiction, its not moral. that is the theory known as "categorical imperative"

there are others, such as utilitarianism, contractarianism, etc.

it's one thing to go into a debate ignorant but with an open mind. it's another to rush in ignorant and confidently insulting everyone else. confidence isnt always a virtue. I would recommend some research, or at least, some humility.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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itll be easier to talk about morals if you werent bringing up evolution, genetics, reproduction, and generally making childish assumptions about the other side.


you can't even comprehend how a group identifying as *NOT* believing in something could believe in varying things.

2 months, 2 weeks ago

again , on materialism mindset why killing people if there are a benefit is wrong

2 months, 2 weeks ago

atheism is the lack of vitamin b in the brain , our debate about Morals and you don't answer my question

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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lol. you still seem to not understand what an atheist even means.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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you have repeatedly argued that atheism = science.
therefore you repeatedly implied that science is not compatible with god.


before science, nearly 100% of people believed in intelligent design. it was literally the only belief available to them. to claim that science is increasing that number is silly.

the fact is science doesnt answer the question of the designer. it simply uncovers observations. people like you switched from "God makes lightning" to "God makes electricity that makes lightning". no discovery or observation will change your initial assumption, but dont pretend that it somehow supports it just cause you added "God did it" to the end.

science is God neutral. he cant be detected, therefore he is ignored. theres no guessing in scientific knowledge. so no, science does not support intelligent design.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
logical_bomb
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the problem with atheists that you can't get a stable point of view from them

2 months, 2 weeks ago

wait what ? i didn't say that God and science are opposite , am saying to put everyone in his place , and I think that the more we advance in science , the more we believe in intelligent design , like golden ration , and fine tuning universe how you explain those

2 months, 2 weeks ago

I think your basic problem is you think God and science are opposite and incompatible.

if that is so, then why do so many theists also believe in science?

2 months, 2 weeks ago

here are a few moral theories and what define them. I would recommend doing research before laying accusations. or at least ask questions before assuming everything.

https://youtu.be/8bIys6JoEDw

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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it's not an opinion that he murdered many and caused lots of suffering. if you need someone to tell you that is wrong, then there is something wrong with you.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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logic is horrible science, and science has nothing to do with morals.

none of this has anything to do with what we were discussing. your thoughts are very disorganized.

2 months, 2 weeks ago

give a logical argument that Stalin was wrong , not opinions , he is just one of humans species who want to dominate and survive and passe his genetics

2 months, 2 weeks ago
logical_bomb
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logic is the best science I don't need biology scientist to tell me about Morales , everyone had their field of study

2 months, 2 weeks ago

most theists in 1st world countries also believe in science, so that kinda makes your point completely invalid

2 months, 2 weeks ago

and don't say that the law can be improved or something , because those who have the law are humans , and the thieves humans to so they can develop to , it's like programmers who make security and the hackers , non ending game , actually those who have the law what stop them from doing crimes , or somebody bribe them , that's very clear , if I have strong believe that God will judge me , I can't even think about it

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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evolution is a principal theory in biology, but atheism doesnt mean adherence to science. it simply means "not god".

an atheists may accept science.
or an atheist may reject it as some global elitist conspiracy. he may choose to live in ignorance, or accept alternative theories like "it's a simulation".

atheism is just "not God" it says nothing about what the person actually believes in.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
logical_bomb
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I understand what atheism about , what am saying is about the consequences of (( the lack of believe in god , afterlife , hell and paradise , judgement day )) and it's material mindset , to simplify it I give example , if you had opportunity to still something that not yours and you know that no one can catch you , what are the reasons to stop you from doing so

2 months, 2 weeks ago

I enjoy having a theological debates , but I want to see some convincing arguments from my opponent , there are many contradictions here
evolution is the principal pillar for atheism , if not how you can explain the incredible beauty in the forms of life , Richard Dawkins himself say that the earth like a paradise for other planets

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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stalin was a paranoid dictator who made millions suffer and millions die to satisfy his greed and paranoia. if you need God to tell you that's wrong, then that is very sad.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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very little having to do with humans has to do with natural selection. much of it involves artificial selection.

do you understand the difference? do you understand any science? are you running mostly on assumptions and guesses?

there are many theories of morality, most do not involve God. I'm going to assume that you dont understand, or even know of, any of them.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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no I dont think you understand what atheism is.

atheism simply means "not theism". it doesnt imply a belief in anything, just a lack of a belief in God. we keep repeating this same line, you seem to be actively ignoring it.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Brynn
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Atheism doesn't have a stance on natural selection? Being an atheist doesn't mean you support evolution.

2 months, 2 weeks ago

and how we can disagree with racism , because in atheism racism has another name , the natural selection of humans

2 months, 2 weeks ago

how we can prove that Stalin or Mao zedong was wrong ,

2 months, 2 weeks ago

I don't know if you understand atheism yet , my arguments are clear and you are going in circles

2 months, 2 weeks ago

Subjective morals are far better than objective ones, which don't exist by the way. With subjective morals societies get rid of slavery, sexism, and so much more so that the majority of people are much happier!

2 months, 2 weeks ago

morality is common sense. everyone has a conscience, regardless of their belief in God. they know the difference between selfish and selfless.

how exactly does religion add to morality? specific times for eating and praying?

2 months, 2 weeks ago

in atheism Morals and ethics are relative , prove me that we don't need religion for morals

2 months, 2 weeks ago

Also you can REJECT religion and not reject morals. You don't need religion for morals.

2 months, 2 weeks ago

Atheism is a lack of belief and not a rejection.

2 months, 2 weeks ago

nihilism is the rejection of all religious and moral principles, in the belief that life is meaningless. , do you accept religion or do you believe that the life is meaningful

2 months, 2 weeks ago

Again nihilism and atheism are separate topics.

2 months, 2 weeks ago

are you saying that's you will be , as the you , in another body

2 months, 2 weeks ago
logical_bomb
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hhhhh , do you believe in life after death or what , who cares of genes , all that matters is me , my feelings and my own ego

2 months, 2 weeks ago

actually if evolution are true , atheists well be distinct with natural selection , because of their suicides , and the problem of material mindset

2 months, 2 weeks ago

The benefits of your genes being passed is that even if you die. Genetically half of you still exists in the world.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
logical_bomb
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what , why she passe her genetics , there is no benefits , use some logic

2 months, 2 weeks ago

I don't understand why religious people feel that atheists cannot have purpose without a belief in an invisible father figure telling you what you can or cant eat and how specifically to praise him throughout the day.

purpose is something you give yourself. otherwise your just a tool.

2 months, 2 weeks ago

Nihilism and atheism are separate topics.

2 months, 2 weeks ago

Every atheist has their own purpose in life. For some that includes having a child. For others that doesn't include a child.

2 months, 2 weeks ago

Biologically? To pass on her genetics. In terms of life? To raise a family a legacy with a significant other or alone. Also pregnancy doesn't have to be painful. Modern medicine can allow for a more comfortable experience so pregnancy isn't horribly painful. The child will listen to their mother because of trust and bribes/threats.

2 months, 2 weeks ago

and if the child grown up why would he be good or obey his mother , there is no material pleasure , you can't solve this

2 months, 2 weeks ago

why would any women love to be pregnant , what's the benefits in atheism view , and she must take care of her child and wast money , there is no benefits it's just wast of time and money and pregnancy is very painful for her

2 months, 2 weeks ago

What's the point here? You mention several things.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
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