The debate "Atheists cannot be offended by something they dont believe in" was started by
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September 28, 2016, 7:49 am.
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TheExistentialist, jack_tim_45, north and 13 visitors agree.
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I agree. u know this is a perfect example of what can sometimes happen in life. I nearly misread his argument and ,having been tired of all the hate towards Christians that seems to happen, shot back. which started this whole nonsense. what ever happened to Apollo anyways?
In that case, it's simple.
An atheist is anyone who doesn't actively believe in any God. It's a statement of believe, not epistemology. So one can be an Atheist and agnostic at the same time.
I thought we were debating what made a atheist an atheist. this is kind of funny actually.
I'm not really sure......I kinda figured this would be one of those cut and dry debates. I expected someone to try and equate atheism to a religion and make a case from that notion (thankfully no one did), but it seems everyone is just arguing nuances so I figured I'd play along with "nuancing."
true. but I already apologize d on that. where has this debate gone to anyways?
No he's not. Read his post again. He states his own belief. He isn't caricaturing yours. His stating that he doesn't "believe a God exists in the same respect I say i dont believe vampires exists." isn't a miss-characterization of your believes, but rather an accurate portrayal of his views. You simply became emotionally entangled and began making character attacks instead of reading the argument rationally and going for a "reductio ad absurdum" line of argument. He gave you the opening and you failed to attack it appropriately.
r u kidding me. he is saying my God is a fairy tale like a vampire and u are saying that isn't a character attack as well. though u r right that my last part was and I apologize on that part but not the rest.
Caricaturing your opposition is a sure sign that you don't understand their actual position. Essentially you're resorting to character attacks rather than attacking their position. It's an intellectually lazy, dishonest way of debating and shows a complete lack of intellectual integrity. It's pathetic.
If I were to call Christians "Mental children who believe in fairy tales" it would be a misrepresentation and oversimplification of their world view which doesn't serve to address any of their arguments and only serves to undermine their character.
Christians= there is a God atheist=no such thing as God. idiots =we're just a bunch of atoms thrown together and the universe and time itself just happen to become real
Well sure. You cant deny the possibility of many things that are made up. Doesnt mean you have to beleive it to be true.
I say I dont believe a God exists in the same respect I say i dont believe vampires exists.
I believe that there is a natural explanation for our universe with no supreme being involved. This belief makes me an atheist.
It depends on how you use the word atheist. Different sources define it differently. The definitions i use are Theist - believes in god. Atheist - believes there is no god. Agnostic - A person who holds that the answer is unknown or unknowable. Basically an agnostic person is someone on the fence.
Since i believe that all organized religions are complete horse shit but i do not deny the possibility that a god exists, that would clearly define me as agnostic.
Then what would you call yourself if not an atheist?
Ive always understood it like this:
Do you believe a God exists?
Do you claim to know whether or not a god exist?
So by this, I am an agnostic atheist.
Oh ok. Im glad that there are people like you. Also im sorry that i called you that. At least we came in agreement about something today.
yeah I've met the odd atheist that loves putting down Christians. but unless they are impacting my life or society in general, I don't really care if you pray.
and since I keep getting called this, I'm not actually an atheist. an atheist believes there is no God. I believe that all organized religions are just cults. but the possibility that a being of greater power exists. the possibility that it is the Christian God is virtually 0 though in my opinion.
Okay i got you. Thanks for the names to call them and call the extremists of religions.
just call them idiots. they exist in every group, including christians. I don't believe you would appreciate me attributing the actions of the dumber members of the Christian community to christians as a whole.
to be honest, I don't think those people deserve to be referenced at all unless they risk possibly influencing our laws or standards.
Well what would you like me to call them, the minority group or what? Its a serious question, answer with honesty. Also most Christians do show respect and most of us do go to church behind closed doors and the minority group would bash on them because they went to church. I dont mean all atheists by the way like your implying, just the dumb ones.
almost no atheist will take offense to your personal prayer and if any do, it has more to do with a derangement than their atheism. these are likely the same type of people who, if christian, would be offended at me not saying grace, or if jewish, for driving on a Saturday, etc. such people exist in small numbers in every group and you simply cannot bash the greater group over the actions of these nutjobs.
also you bashed the YouTube atheists by claiming "they all say that Christians are shoving their religion down their throat." well they aren't wrong as was shown by the intelligent design in schools debate. that was not a YouTube rant, it was a legitimate national level debate headed by several prominent political figures.
Thank you for proving my point! I am sorry if i did confuse you on my first statement.
I agree with that sentiment. No atheists can't be offended by the concept of God. There will always be outlyers in any group, so it's not really useful to point out the exceptions, it just muddies the water. It applies to the Christian community as well; the vast majority don't care if someone is an atheist or not. There are those that are offended by the mere notion of Atheists though. However, I believe that they are simply a vocal minority just like the youtube personalities you described are a vocal minority on the atheist side. These vocal minorities aren't really worthy of any consideration when it comes to the larger point however.
To prove to you that some, not all, atheists are stupid. Its called evidence dumbshit!
There are atheists who take offense if lets say i was in a restaraunt and an atheists is sitting next to me and i started praying. Some would go out of their way just to try and make a fool out of somebody else who believes in a God. And why would i constantly follow someone around? Ignorant people like you twist words around to your own benefit. Stupid, absolutely stupid.
I didnt say that christians cant offend atheists, anyone can offend anyone, i was stating rhat God cant offend atheists as much as the easter bunny or santa clause cant offend anyone if noone believes in them. Sorry if i confused you on that
and why the hell are you citing someone on YouTube, who clearly made a career or hobby of broadcasting their views, as a reference to most people who are just going about their day?
are these YouTube atheists sending you their links personally or posting them on Christian forums to force you to watch and preach their message directly to you, much as some Christians have done THE EXACT SAME THING on to others?
stop generalizing in ignorance. most atheists don't give a shit about your, or the 100s of other religions out there. unless you start trying to legislate your laws and traditions, we have no mandate to spread our "gospel" to the nonbelievers. for the most part, we don't care.
So it's important to draw an distinction between God and Christians. Christians can certainly offend Atheists, just like Muslims can offend Christians etc..... It's not that atheists are offended by the idea of God itself, they are offended by institutional preference of Christian doctrine, or by the rhetoric that religious doctrine inspires.
Most religious people are not likely to be offended by someone simply being an Atheist. There is nothing offensive about an individual who doesn't share a belief in God. It is when Atheists try to infringe on religious liberty that an Atheist becomes offensive to the religious. So it is certain actions, certain rhetoric, and certain institutional preferences that are offensive, but God or not-God aren't. So you have to look at what is the atheist really offended by, is it God? or is it rhetoric? or is it institutional? Just like institutional Sharia law is likely to be offensive to a Christian, legislation based solely on religious principals (from any religion) is likely to be offensive to an atheist.
what do you mean pray in front of an atheist? are you praying as you normally would in an ordinary spot and an atheist just happens to be there? or are you following an atheist around and constantly praying for their soul even as they try to go about their day?
the first option would not offend any normal person, but the second one is harassment, and I would take offense. not to your religion or your diety, but over the actions of that annoying individual. we do believe that Christians exist even if we don't believe in christianity...
You go and pray in front of an Atheist. Look up on Youtube these Atheist Jaclynn Glenn, the atheist voice, and the stupidest one of all the amazing atheist. They all say that Christians are shoving their religion down their throat and because they live in America they have a right to be offended by anything and everything. In all honesty an atheist saying that God or Jesus offends them is like me saying the Easter bunny offends me, its retarded!
Nope, neither can they hate God as they are often accused of.
why would atheists be offended by God or jesus?
It means that an Atheist cant be offended by God or Jesus, because they believe that neither one exists.
what does that even mean?