Being gay is a fad now

June 19, 2015, 2:48 pm

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The debate "Being gay is a fad now" was started by jets8394 on June 19, 2015, 2:48 pm. 45 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 70 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

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4 years, 1 month ago

I feel as if humans are now experimenting more now that homosexuality is more widely accepted. They call themselves "gay" through this phase. Also that people feel more comfortable coming out since the LGBT community has been growing. But I don't believe it's a "fad". I believe that accepting these things has an influence on society.

4 years, 1 month ago

I wish there were a half agree button. I think the claim is too vague. So vague as to be irrefutable without a more specific position. Yes, it is becoming more popular. Yes, some people are choosing to identify as gay or other obscure forms of sexuality (see: tumblr).

However, gay is not a choice and it's unimportant whether they are born that way or develop that way. The surest argument against homosexuality being a choice is the treatment of gays in the last hundred years that we can trace back. Anybody who has witnessed the horrid treatment of homosexuals would sure choose heterosexuality if they could. Who would choose to be ostracized and persecuted?

4 years, 1 month ago

Fair enough, but if she had stuck around she might have tempered her views based on interacting with people who saw the world differently. My opinions have changed based on interactions with people who disagreed with me, so I always hope that others can too if presented with sufficient reason. I know there isn't much chance if she had already decided that her views were set in stone, but if she isn't exposed to any dissenting opinions, that chance drops to zero.

There is also the chance that, while we do not agree with her on this point, she would have something important to contribute either to this debate or to future debates that will now be lost.

Even if I disagree with someone's views, if they are willing to state their views honestly (not trolling) I regret the community loosing them because at worst no good comes of them being here, but at best someone, either them or someone else, gains something by their participation.

4 years, 1 month ago
I_Voyager
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C'mon. She left because she's an asshole who can't stomach being exposed to proof of being wrong. The only right thing she said was this app wasn't made for people like her.

4 years, 1 month ago

regardless if it's a fad or not I think everyone deserves equal rights

4 years, 1 month ago

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to chase you away. I'm here because I enjoy debating so, if you don't enjoy having people disagree with you constantly, you may be right. Regardless, good luck in the future.

4 years, 1 month ago

Look, whatever you wrote is way too long and i am not reading it. I dont think this app was made for people like me, haha. As for proof theres a lot but i am not going to waste my time collecting it, because in the end we are all entitled to our own opinions :)) goodbye, I'll be deleting this app,now. Adios.

4 years, 1 month ago

Ashna,
I posted this on the new topic you created, but I wanted to make sure those who found this debate got a balanced view rather than just your insulting rant followed by silence from me.

You say that it is scientifically proven that being gay has no genetic causes, and that I am stupid to have an open mind about it, but if that is so, why is there still research going on that shows the opposite? If scientists have reached a consensus, why does any casual search show that there are differing views, with most people believing that there is a combination of natural and environmental causes? In case you have trouble finding them, I will link a few. Feel free to read through them and get back to me when you have time.

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract;jsessionid=FC39721621EB929A9B55222A221B9E8C.journals?aid=9625997&fileId=S0033291714002451
A study of 409 pairs of openly gay brothers to see if there were genetic similarities. Several were found.

http://www.gaybros.com/faq.html#genes
A site explaining a great deal of the research that has been done on homosexuality by researchers in the process of doing further research with information about volunteering for the study if you are interested.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0021982
A study of identical twins estimating that genetics explained roughly 25% of female sexual preference.

While I am fully aware that none of these are definitive proof, they do indicate that there is likely a genetic component to homosexuality. The scientific community has not reached a consensus yet, so until those doing the research have sufficient evidence to reach a conclusion and agree, perhaps lay people with no expertise should hold their judgment.

4 years, 1 month ago

before it's news? Well it hasnt become news and likely never cuz that little buzzfeed news site seems less than reliable, guardian, new york times, or der speigel, thank you. and if not that can you at least say the research center or universiy that made rhe discovery? yeah thanks

4 years, 1 month ago

Ohhh. So you actually think that theres gay DNA or some shit like that in people's genes since when they were born? Pffft. I can't even argue further, crossed the limit of being stupid.
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/01/scientifically-proven-homosexuality-is-not-genetic-20-years-of-research-more-than-10000-scientific-papers-3095666.html

4 years, 1 month ago

I'm not saying that there are not environmental influences, but if you are claiming that science has proven that there are no biological factors, the burden of proof is on you.

4 years, 1 month ago

It's easy to say it's been proven, but you really need to provide some of that proof for your position to be effective. I have yet to ever see any evidence to support your claim, but I haven't seen the results of every study ever done.

4 years, 1 month ago

You can not be born gay it is scientifically proven there is no gay DNA in our brains or genetics. It is just a learnt behaviour .

4 years, 1 month ago

That begs the question, did pop culture create the behavior, or did the behavior create the pop culture. I don't have data to show either way, so I can't definitively say either.

4 years, 2 months ago
I_Voyager
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I can accept what you're saying, but it doesn't disprove what I've said. It just begs the question: at what point is a culturally inherited mannerism a trend or not a trend?

I would say this... If you inherit a behavior from the general national or state culture it is not a trend. If you act like a redneck because you live with rednecks, or you act like a redneck because you watch Duck Dynasty these are two different things. If you inherit it from a pop-culture it is a trend. I would argue that the most stereotypical gay behavior comes from the latter as depicted in movies and television and popular movements.

But I'd have no strong evidence to back it up.

Also, I'm not necessarily claiming all gay lifestyle stereotypes hail from a pop-culture trend. Only that some body-language and speaking styles do. Other elements of the lifestyle such as popular interests or activities probably come from the cultural discussion gay people have with each other. Which is not a trend, but a culture.

4 years, 2 months ago

That's true enough but there are always mannerisms and trends for every demographic. Jeff Foxworthy has made a career out of pointing out "redneck" trends, rap has established some style and behavior patterns for its demographic, and even college professors have certain stereotypes that people have come to expect. I don't think the "gay lifestyle" is so much a fad as a developed set of cultural norms.

4 years, 2 months ago
I_Voyager
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You should take this as a lesson about those people and not necessarily gay people in general.

I'm sure for some people being gay is a fad. But generally I doubt that to be true. I've known too many gay people to have illusions about whether people are or are not actually gay. I think what's truly a fad is the body language and social behavior commonly associated with gay people. I suspect if a society went on for a century and forgot all prejudices against homosexuality, you would find the same diversity of attitude and personality among the homosexual and heterosexual. Or at least similar enough.

4 years, 2 months ago

Could you suddenly decide to find people of the same sex attractive? I have never met anyone who could honestly answer that they could, therefore it is not suddenly deciding to be gay, rather it is deciding to stop hiding who they are and lying to everyone around them.

As to whether they are doing things just to get noticed, lots of people do things to attract attention whether they are gay or not. Trusting you doesn't factor into it since you are basing your entire argument on your assumption of other people's motives. Since you obviously have never been through it, your belief in their motives is suspect.

4 years, 2 months ago

From my own personal experience, I know people that would go way out of their way to get noticed and when people started "coming out" they just all of a sudden became gay or bi after being married with the opposite sex. I know people will think, "these people might have actually just been gay". Trust me, these people have done so many stupid things just to gat noticed

4 years, 2 months ago
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