Being gay is a sin

August 7, 2016, 5:05 pm

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The debate "Being gay is a sin" was started by blakelovesjesus on August 7, 2016, 5:05 pm. 31 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 57 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

thereal posted 3 arguments, dalton7532 posted 7 arguments, fadi posted 9 arguments, blakelovesjesus posted 1 argument, neveralone posted 11 arguments to the agreers part.
Nemiroff posted 17 arguments, PsychDave posted 3 arguments, historybuff posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.

dalton7532, Suviva31313, Ali001, moneybagboyz, sabrina, reagmc, blakelovesjesus, fadi, thereal, neveralone, Pearl, Eruptionz and 19 visitors agree.
MathDebating01, Religion_is_unproven, SwaggerPoptart, arisa, Cat, Rakesh, Zuhayr, hunadi, historybuff, NationalistGuy, MW13, ankii23, debatingdalek, Hijumi, phantrash55, jack_tim_45, Nemiroff, north, metheonlyme, allyssa, ProfDoke, Breeanna104 and 35 visitors disagree.

neveralone
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the treatment of them is wrong but I don't agree with it but I don't judge them because that small part we consider as sin. think about it if God judged is by just our sin we would be in trouble

3 years ago
Radhikadhawan
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Of course!! I think we should think beyond religions and think logically. Gays are also humans and we treat them like dogs.. I think we are the real sinners

3 years ago
Nemiroff
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technically it is a sin according to Christianity as it is explicitly stated so in the bible, but outside of Christianity there is nothing sinful or immoral about it. it is a harmless activity which exists in numerous species in nature and is simply an act of love between 2 consenting adults.

3 years ago

It is really shame... Most of u all live in democratic countries with freedom to do whatever u want and practice any religion.. Still, if u want to know I must tell that homosexuality is not a choice it is caused by the interplay of genetic and hormonal influences... U r no one to define it as a sin as sins are the bad deeds whereas being a gay is a biological factor...

3 years ago
neveralone
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exactly

3 years ago
RogueAmerican
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If they are truly sorry for what they have done and do everything required to receive that forgiveness. One must truly repent. Everybody deserves forgiveness if they are truly sorry.

3 years ago
Nemiroff
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well if you already know....

3 years ago
neveralone
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u heard of trolls:-)

I do too but from other arguments I feel he isn't open to my ideas so it's hard to debate agaisnt something like that

3 years ago
Nemiroff
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usually in real world maybe, but probably not usually in a debate forum or any place centered around intellectual discussion.

either way I find it best to reserve judgement until after people prove incapable rather than assume negatively before knowing for sure.

3 years ago
neveralone
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I didn't think u wanted me to I was just making it clear I can't talk for them.

it's not invalid if they do their research which usually doesn't happen

3 years ago
Nemiroff
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and I'm saying that it is a significant portion of every denomination (maybe, maybe not majority). I'm not saying you are one of them, nor am I asking you to defend them, but I am asking why is it that an atheist's words are invalid?

3 years ago
neveralone
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which section and even further sometimes which church.yes some people do lose the picture and it's sad. I can't and won't defend that part but I will say people make mistakes

3 years ago
Nemiroff
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I don't understand "which part they're in"
are you referring to denominations? cause that's not what I'm talking about. I have limited experience with orthodox christians, but both protestants and catholics have people whose priorities are opposite of jesus's

3 years ago
neveralone
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Yes God would sorry thought u asked me

3 years ago
neveralone
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it depends which part there in

3 years ago
neveralone
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yes I'm told to and I know people who regret everything in their life.

3 years ago
PsychDave
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I agree that someone who kills people in the name of religious beliefs is crazy, but you didn't answer the question. Would God forgive a serial killer who accepted Jesus?

3 years ago
Nemiroff
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I have found that many Christians have the wrong idea about Christianity as well.

3 years ago
neveralone
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I have found that most atheist have the wrong idea of Christians and in most cases no matter how much u try will simply just disagree with u and I would not like to waste my time trying to get him to understand if he's not willing

3 years ago
Nemiroff
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whether he is an atheist or not, what difference does it make regarding whether his statement is true or not?

3 years ago
neveralone
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no. we don't do that for one and ur crazy if u do. so ur saying a mistake made at the last second should determine the rest of ur life with Jesus? also arnt u atheist?

3 years ago
PsychDave
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That is not accurate. If I accept Jesus as my lord and saviour, then set out to kill all those who have not, I would not be a good Christian and would not deserve to get into heaven. There are further tenants and rules.

3 years ago
neveralone
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there's only one. accept Jesus as ur Lord and Saviour

3 years ago

well we finally found the underlying problem with your argument. you think not going to heaven and being a Christian are directly related. lots of Christians don't go to heaven. that doesn't mean they aren't Christians. you don't seem to understand the basic tenants of Christianity very well.

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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no it is not an arbitrary religion

secondly if you are not going to heaven then you are not a christian call yourself what you want you are not so gays are not christians

3 years, 2 months ago

I am not saying they aren't going to hell. but anyone can be a Christian in this life. and you have no right to say who can and cannot be a christian.

and yes, it is just another arbitrary religion.

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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actually you called christianity an arbitrary religion so you are the blasphemer not me according to christianity

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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blasphemer lol you sound funny no they do have problem with that they said that gays are sinners and if they do not ask about repentance then they are going to hell it is not like i have personal problem with them they are proud sinner who do not ask for forgiveness and thus are going to hell for sure

3 years, 2 months ago
Nemiroff
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Because You are Equating harassing People With 2 people Have A consensual relationship. 1 Is an obvious crime, The other Is just an arbitrary sin in An arbitrary religion. not only are you telling them its a sin, you are demanding they abandon their faith.

BTW fadi. scroll down. 2 other Christians are saying that gays can be Christians, like any other person they are simply sinning, and may or may not get into heaven, but they can be Christians no problem on this life. only you are taking this ****** judgemental stance.

if you have a problem you'll have to take it up with them. cause you try to speak for God I am done debating with a blasphemer.

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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why don't we make sexual harassment legal because it is immoral the same thing can be said about gay marriage it is immoral

3 years, 2 months ago
RogueAmerican
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Its equivalent to being against murder. Christians oppose the institution--the sin itself. And anything that promotes the sin is immoral since Gay marriage is a direct, purposeful lead into sin.

3 years, 2 months ago

so it isn't Christians that are trying to ban gay marriage? because I'm pretty sure it is. Christians constantly try to demonize gay people so they don't have to think about how screwed up their beliefs are.

3 years, 2 months ago
blakelovesjesus
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That's a lie. That is not true at all. It's the the people that don't believe that create that.

3 years, 2 months ago

Christ taught humility, understanding, love, and acceptance. the American Christians prioritize division, stigmatization, and enforcing their laws on others. that is objectively counter to the teachings of christ.

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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1 corinthians 6 :9-10
: "Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality"
no homosexuality is a sin

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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exactly

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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who are you to say that the church's teachings are wrong by the way you are very ignorant

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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of course we seek forgivness for christians are not ignorant like you we ask god for forgiveness don't you ever do it

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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well well well you are saying that Christians today do not represent what christ wanted no you are wrong the church is doing a very good job to preserve the christian tradition jesus did forgive her and he rebuked her for her sin


christians today are the followers of Christ you think ignorantly that you are the one who knows the christian ideas better than the church

3 years, 2 months ago

I'm curious, if Jesus removed the sin eating kosher, and the death penalty for adultery without ever actually addressing them directly, wouldn't that also mean homosexuality, which is deemed sinful in the same section of the Old Testament, is no longer a sin? It has always seemed strange to me that religious leaders seem to have picked which rules Jesus ended and which not. Shouldn't the Old Testament rules either still be in effect or not as a whole?

3 years, 3 months ago

is that a no then?

3 years, 3 months ago
Nemiroff
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not in this thread, but shall we establish it now?

do you support (not in light of current law, but as a general right) for gay people to get and be married?

3 years, 3 months ago

When excactly did I say to ban gay marriage?

3 years, 3 months ago
Nemiroff
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because you aren't just trying to state your beliefs. you want to legislate them as law.

3 years, 3 months ago

You are not supposed to be a homosexual, it is sinful. Jesus and God still love you, but they do not like you actions. I do not hate people that are gay, but I think being a homosexual is wrong. I do not see how simply stating that is forcing my beliefs on others, it is about the same as forcing my beliefs on people as people say being gay is ok. Are we only allowed to say being homosexual is good rather than saying it is not. If so, that is complete bull shit.

3 years, 3 months ago
Nemiroff
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didn't Christ negate many of the rules of the old testament, such as kosher eating?

we are talking about Christianity, with all its modifications and the lessons of jesus.

3 years, 3 months ago
thereal
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well the bible says punishment for adultery is stoning so......... actually read it plz nemiroff

3 years, 3 months ago
Nemiroff
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what does any of that have to do with this topic of Christianity and sin.... now your really just avoiding the issue being discussed.

3 years, 3 months ago

shame was also built into Christianity after jesus's death. it seems to have little to do with his teachings of love and acceptance. this does not discredit the core, original meaning of your religion, but the perversion of it done by the church long after your savior was out of the picture.

this is not an assault on its origin, or you personally. perhaps my message may save it's true, original meaning. love.

3 years, 3 months ago
dalton7532
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Because I am a self centered enthusiast that promotes ideals for prosperity and knowledge for those who are quite frankly ignorant of such knowledge. Why elese would i be giving them knowledge? can you answer that? thought so......

3 years, 3 months ago

heck you didn't even make this point and I was making this argument from the first post before you even entered this discussion lol. why do you think everything is about you?

3 years, 3 months ago

I'm pretty sure you had little say in overall Christian dogma. so this has nothing to do with you personally. I did make that very clear. are you taking it personally to avoid tackling this point? that part is personally directed at you, not the rest.

shame was built into Christianity long before you were born. to believe we directed that personally at you is ridiculous.

3 years, 3 months ago

Yall made it pretty clear what you meant.

3 years, 3 months ago
Nemiroff
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I never said you. I said modern Christianity in general preaches shame.

original sin, even a new born is by default guilty, is a big example. the constant need for confession of even the most mundane misdeeds. the seeking of forgiveness rather than the joy of God's creation. backwards retrospective instead of thinking of improving the world with forward thinking.

it's not you, it's the majority of the denominations of the entire faith.

3 years, 3 months ago
dalton7532
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How the hell did I put shame to it? What did I do? You keep on coming with these false accusations.

3 years, 3 months ago

Christ certainly preached good deeds. but his followers seemed to have forgotten that. when Christ met a sinner, such as the whore, he loved them. he didn't sneer at them, he didn't insult them, he didn't judge them.

his followers clearly didn't get the message, to this very day. I'm not talking about your text, I'm talking about the lessons you CHOOSE to take from it. there is a list of deadly sins, but no list of divine good deeds. and to my knowledge no Christian culture (English, french, german, etc) bothered even coming up with a special word for good deed.

there is a large difference between the teachings of christ, and the priorities of modern christians. honestly, yall shame his name.

3 years, 3 months ago
thereal
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have you ever read the bible? it puts a lot of emphasis on good deeds. if you do lots of good deeds you live for eternity in heaven where you can have what you want. even a 5 year old cam understand that yet you are struggling with the concept.

3 years, 3 months ago
dalton7532
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Please define Christainity

3 years, 3 months ago

Christianity puts ALOT of emphasis on sin. you do bad things and god will torture you for all eternity. but English never developed a word for a good deed because the emphasis of Catholicism and Christianity historically is on punishing bad deeds. not promoting good ones.

3 years, 3 months ago

Can you explain your point? I want to hear your full thoughts because you sound really stupid right now.

3 years, 3 months ago

he just said that. he said sin is critical to western culture and Christianity. but English never developed a word for good deed. sort of shows the emphasis of Christianity.

3 years, 3 months ago
thereal
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sin is an english word, dumbass.

3 years, 3 months ago

isn't it funny how sin is such a prominent thing but not a single Christian culture came up for a special word for good deed

3 years, 3 months ago
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