The debate "Being Obese in most cases where it was due to lifestyle choices is immoral" was started by
July 22, 2015, 12:19 pm.
29 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 14 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.
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It is also plausible to argue people don't make the decision to live a fat lifestyle. Though they may argue it, the rationalization may be a justification for an addiction. I've read studies which demonstrate that salty, fatty foods might be as addictive as cocaine. I've read other studies which suggest a conscious decision to perform an automatic function occurs after an unconscious determination. Many foods, like Doritos, are filled with chemicals that fool the brain into thinking it isn't full too. The person who is addicted can then eat as much as they want without a cause to do otherwise!
Do people choose to eat to obesity? Or are fatty foods a modern day Soma?
Every choice an individual makes forces others to bear the burden as well. If I hit the button for a crosswalk, traffic must wait, potentially making them late. If I don't and get hit, there is an even bigger delay and the medical system gets taxed by putting me back together. While there is certainly a burden placed on the health care system, I disagree that this makes obesity immoral.
Many decisions people make tax social systems, which is the reason those systems exist. Smokers tax the medical system, people who stream movies tax the information infrastructure, prompting companies to pass on the expense of more bandwidth to everyone, drivers damage roads forcing taxpayers to pay to repair them and education taxes are paid by people who have no children, meaning my decision to have one is negatively impacting those who did not. I didn't not agree that unintentional side effects allows actions to be labeled immoral because, quite simply, they are unintentional. If someone became obese to take advantage of the system (ie Homer Simpson trying to work from home) then that would be immoral. Most people are not becoming obese because they want to play the system, they are either unaware of the causes, unable to control themselves, or too lazy/cheap to find alternatives. It could definitely be considered poor decisions that lead to obesity, but poor decisions are not inherently immoral.
It's a matter of creating undue burden. Obesity, undeniably, is the greatest strain on our health care system. The cost of obesity is much more than just resource allocation. It's seen in the increased cost of insurance rates (obese people increase the risk assessment of the entire pool). It's seen in increased health care cost. Cost of uninsured/underinsured obese people forcing hospitals to pass cost on.... Although that last one is a multi causal issue. Obesity is only a contributing factor here by increasing the number and cost of hospital visits.
All this cost is then passed on to others. They are then forced to carry the burden of another's obesity since no system exists to individualize cost sharing. So if it is immoral to force someone else to share in the burden of your choices, the so is it immoral to be obese by choice alone.
You assume that we have a moral obligation to feed those people. Then by that logic anyone who owns nice things is equally immoral. They didn't spend that money feeding the hungry. By your logic virtually everyone is either immoral or starving.
The waste they create and the fact that they are gorging on food that their body doesn't need when there are starving people in the world.
How does someone's weight have anything to do with morality? Unless they are eating people they seem to be unrelated.