The debate "-Bernie and Trump are the same guys but opposites" was started by
May 22, 2016, 2:03 pm.
4 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 4 people are on the disagree side.
There needs to be more votes to see what the common perception is.
There is a tie in this debate, post your arguments, call some reinforcements and break this tie.
dalton7532 posted 17 arguments to the agreers part.
dalton7532 posted 1 argument, Nemiroff posted 12 arguments to the disagreers part.
dalton7532, Donald_J_Trump and 2 visitors agree.
Nemiroff, josh_rocks and 2 visitors disagree.
she had nothing to do with the security detail of this random embassy. there is no lack of leadership there.
please explain it to me otherwise, or leave this issue be.
-Remember that video did not cover all of Hillary's lies during the 2016 campaign.. ;-)
-You would rather who showed a lack of leadership when Americans died, lied in court about a serious offense, someone who had no regard for the rules, and someone who says anything to get a vote than somebody who has done none of those things?!
-Most of those lies in that video you sent me were not even lies. Yes, Trump steaks and vodka might not have been as big as they have been, but they are still around. He honestly thought Ted Cruz knew about the ad.
-Hillary lying in court, showing a lack of leadership when Americans died, her being a HABITUALLY PATHOLOGICAL LIAR, not following the rules and threating information is not a serious offense? What the freaking heck?
I get the hole spin the media angle, but if you think about it, regardless of how much media it gathers, he still comes off sounding stupid.
none of those Hillary offenses are serious to me.
you are right, all those lies by trump are petty and little. but their lies. and he's saying them all the time. and unlike hullaries career lies, these are petty and are for no reason. that is the definition of a pathological liar.
therefore trump is the pathological liar. he lies more in one speech than Hillary lied in her career, and without any sense or reason.
I can't give that the presidency.
-Trump leaked that tape to the Washington Post. It would get him media time. He would be asked about it because that is what the media does. Everybody knew it was him. If he denied it was him, the media would go crazy and he would dominate the cycle, which he did. Trump plays the media. He always does since the start to get publicity without spending much money.
-Lying about policy is completely different than denying you were on an joke interview
To make that comparison and say they were on the same scale is outrageous.
-It is not when she said she was against gay marriage is the problem or even when she was for it. It is when she lied about on a 2016 debate. Just like when she lied about her emails. Just like when she lied about being a progressive. Just like her excellent leadership qualities when 4 Americans died. Just like when she plays the woman card. It showed her leadership when she yelled "What difference does it make?" It also showed when she lied in federal court.
-To compare something harmless and fun. and to compare it with policy for America is completely crazy
how about a chain of lies?
you were pointing to Hillary lying about something that was a career destroying stance at the time and one most Americans changed along with her over time.
I think the blatant and completely unnecessary lie by Donald is very telling and very relevant.
it was funny how instead of just saying yeah it was a joke, his first instinct is to deny deny deny. excellent leadership qualities.
-I thought that was funny. Trump leaked that to the Washington Post for media time. I thought it was funny. (John Miller!) Is that honestly the best you got? That has nothing regarding policies and the direction of America.
how about when trump made up a reporter named John Miller and posed as him to brag about Trump's accomplishments?
he got caught, admitted it as "a joke" back in the 90s
and now he's claiming that it was an impersonator. lol
talk about pathological, this lie has layers to it!
-His claim was not stupid. She says "We need a women in office" That is playing the woman card. You cannot say otherwise. Then, Hillary had this stupid idea of making a women card, and lying about what the woman's card is. She knows damnwell what it was.
benghazi? how is the specific security detail of every embassy under her direct supervision? this is not something that would be handled by the top person of a department. benghazi makes no sense to me.
when was she told not to use a private email? previous secratery of states used private emails.
she hasn't played the gender card til trump brought it up, and that was just sarcastically to ridicule his stupid claim.
-The lies keep on coming too. She has zero leadership. She plays the women card. She panders to a certain demographic and plays them as fools. She has zero truthfulness in her.
You pretty much got the context. Hillary daid she did not support gay marriage. Then, she said she does,and then lied about it on national tv. Hillary said she was a moderate. Then, she said she was a progressive. Then, when asked about it and if she says anything to get elected she lied again. She said all the emails were between Bill and her. Bill said he only sent her 2 emails. Do you see the common denominator?
-Changing your stance is not wrong. Lying about it is. When she said, I always supported gay marriage. What about when she lied about her emails? Did you watch that part?
-Let's discuss when she deleted all her emails as soon as she went under investigation? Did you know Hillary got briefed not to use a private unsecured server, but she went ahead and did it anyway?
-What about Benghazi? Her leadership really showed then. It showed that she is disqualified from being president.
-What about when she always plays the gender card? If you cannot disqualify someone from being president because of gender, why should you use gender as a qualification?
that's why I hate 12 second clips. 0 context or room for discussion. especially when you do a victory dance before anyone gets a chance to respond :p
I really don't care about her lying about gay marriage. it was political suicide back then, and most Americans honestly did believe it was weird and unnecessary.
did most Americans flip flop? or is that an issue in which the entire country evolved in.
I wouldn't call that lying.
-The whole video is of her lying. She lies all the time. She lies to you. She lies to everybody. Why can't you see that?
a long collection of 12 second clips is no better than a single 12 second clip.
-What does clinton have? A car? All aboard the Clinton car? so lame...
-Next stop is the White House. Climb on board amigo and Let's Make America Great Again!
- ^^^^It is established. Since you won't vote for a pathological liar, Welcome aboard the Trump Train! CHOO CHOO!!
no, but you have yet to establish Hillary as that.
I also hope you won't go back to the supposed blood on her hands.
no matter how many times I refute those, you return unchanged.
-Would you ever vote for a pathological liar Nemiroff?
you are a christian, how many truly honest people exist on this earth?
if your a Catholic the answer is 1
-Would you ever vote for a dishonest candidate Nemiroff?
they are both taking on the establishment.
they are both populists.
however that's it.
Berne Sanders is a respectible person who has been fighting honestly and consistently for the beliefs he is currently pushing all his life.
Donald Trump is a business man who has been dishonestly and consistently fighting for his own personal gain at any cost all his life.
I guess another thing they share is consistency (in action, not words in the case of donald) but that is not always a good thing.
-I guess the point I am trying to make is they are both fighting the establishment, DNC and RNC. They both have a message that resides with populism. I find them very similar, but their ideology seperates them. I guess I am the only one
I guess I got confused by the sexist and racist things I have heard him say. you have yet to say any significant similarities between the two men. being popular is not similarity between the two men. and wanting to stop corruption is what all politicians say. since trump is a corrupt billionaire I seriously doubt he has any intention of fighting corruption.
-Trump is not sexist and racist. Where do you get that from? Liberal media is not always honest by the way.
-Trump and Bernie have some great similarities, but their ideology seperates them.
-Both reside with a popuslist message and both are fighting against the establishment. They also bring in massive crowds and enthusiasm.
trump is a loud mouth, insulting, racist, sexist ****** with no clear idea of what he is doing.
Bernie doesn't seem to have a great idea on how to get to his goals and he is popular. that seems to be where the comparison ends. that is very little similarly to say they are the same. they are completely different in far more ways.
-Trump and Bernie are both running against the corrupt nominating system. They are both populist. They get huge rallies and high amounts of enthusiasm. They are the same guys, but with different ideology.
I don't see it. sorry.
we don't see trump in the same way. that may be an issue.
*They are the same guys, but on opposite ends of the spectrum
same but opposite?