The debate "Biblical prophecy is evidence for the existence of God and the validity of the Bible" was started by
February 7, 2018, 3:45 am.
11 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 25 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most people are against to this statement.
Ematio posted 2 arguments to the agreers part.
RavenclawOwl posted 1 argument, ChangeMyMind posted 1 argument, Gorgon posted 2 arguments to the disagreers part.
Ematio, Slymcfly, FiddleStorm, Samuel, brontoraptor, Leeezzz, vickyy_y and 4 visitors agree.
chris3412, Natty, RavenclawOwl, ChangeMyMind, Gorgon, ConyGoalard, nivasprashanth and 18 visitors disagree.
@Nemiroff, thank you for the information and grunt work. Well done. c:
yeah, the critique checks out
I forgot all about this debate. thank you for bumping it.
There are several issues this the prophecy.
1. Nebuchadnezzar never sacked the main island city, and the mainland part (referred to by Ezekiel as only the settlement which had it's on part in the prophecy) was found abandoned as everyone evacuated to the island city he never touched.
2. this prophecy was made with Nebuchadnezzar already in full war mode getting reading to finish off jerusalem and the wealthy city of tyre was a logical next target. that makes this less a prophecy inspired by the divine and more a guess inspired by obvious geopolitical events. if that counts than all the democrats who prophecized that Mexico will not pay for the wall may all be messengers of god as well. (joking)
I will have to verify this with actual scholarly accounts, like whether the mainland settlement was really abandoned, as well as reread the prophecy to make sure this article was accurate. will post any correction or confirmation later on.
About the prophecy of Tyre:
Authenticity of documents in historical contexts is not a given until proven otherwise, and that ruling in courts 1) concerns official documents, i.e. those produced via US bureaucracy, and 2) has nothing to do with history---lawyers should stick to their own field of expertise instead of, metaphorically speaking, "treating everything like a nail."
In regards to historical texts, we use various dating methods to determine the age of a document. We don't presume a document as old as the document claims, but as old as the oldest extant manuscript is. To demonstrate it older, we need additional data outside the script--perhaps an exact quotation in an older document, for example. To the best of my knowledge, there are no known copies of the Old Testament penned prior to 200 B.C..
Its very common to find historical documents, particularly religious ones, have been altered by scribes much later. You'll need a good argument to determine this text is some kind of exception.
plus alot of prophecies are intentionally vague. that way they can fit any number of circumstances or interpretations. very few, if any, prophecies are specific.
But if the prophecy AND the evidence of the prophecy coming true come from the same book.... did it really happen? does it really prove it took place?
Is there a modern history example that proves anything? perhaps we can start from there
Also, checking your resource quality would make a more valid argument.
I believe one of the strongest prophecies in the Bible is the city of Tyre. The prophet Ezekiel prophesied in about 586 BC that the impregnable city of Tyre would be destroyed and thrown into the sea by king Nebuchadnezzar, and that the place where it stood would be a place for drying nets. I can't put everything here, so check out this link. http://apologeticspress.org/APContent.aspx?category=13&article=1790
You mean for them being fufilled and accurate?
And what is evidence for biblical prophesies?