The debate "Black lives matter is a terror organisation" was started by
August 11, 2016, 11:18 am.
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Alton Sterling was in 2016 though...so was Philando Castille. My means are not illegal or in such a large scope that terror could describe it, hate speech would be a stretch. If you want to argue it was before they were organized, then you are arguing that they became organized late this year (it is currently August). Do you really want to say that?
your link mostly specifies the initial reactionary protests BEFORE blm organized. we went over this before. before those protests, blm was nothing more than a hash tag. to was organized AFTER those protests for the purpose of organizing the movement AND KEEPING IT PEACEFUL. after that the vast majority of its protests were all peaceful.
the shooting in Texas was done by one sniper and terrified and horrified the protesters as much as anyone else. after the shootings began the protesters cooperated with the police instead of obstructing them, cleared out, and praised the police after the incident.
you are spreading misinformation to create fear of this nonviolent group for political purposes. by the same logic you use against blm I can accuse you and the rest of the people here who agree with you of being terroists.
A consistent string of killings of unarmed black men, some in at best questionable circumstances, some blatantly and horrifyingly unjust, with almost never any consequences of the police. the group that tries to advocate for these victims, you call terrorists, let and you dare to call the Democrats divisive? wow.
It is because peaceful people arent exciting and dont make news. There are far more peaceful members of BLM than there are violent. Most of their actions and protests are entirely peaceful.
BLM consistently is violent. a large percentage is violent.
there is a super small percentage of violent christians.
I judge a group based on the actions of most people in the group. I see more violent BLM protests then peaceful ones. now, that could be since the news doesn't cover peaceful protests since it's boring, idk.
again, you are painting a very large group by the actions of a minority. if you believe the majority of BLM are violent then prove it. otherwise, since the movement consistently speaks out against violence, the movement is not violent in the same way that Christianity isn't violent and bigoted, but alot of its supporters are.
thousands of BLM people say hateful things, and protest violently. not terrorism, but enough hateful things done by a large amount of the group to define it.
the head of BLM can says it's a peaceful group, but it's untrue since a whole lot of it's members aren't peaceful, and since the group started more people then normal have been killed
I have no idea, but they want it. The group is made up of alot of idiots.
Why would anyone advocate for no police?
trump supporters have been known to get violent and attack people at their rallies.
Christians have been known to firebomb abortion clinics or burn crosses on people's lawns or any number of other things.
there are definitely violent members of BLM. there are definitely violent members of virtually any large organization. unless you can provide me with a link to BLM advocating for terrorism then the movement isn't violent, a faction of its followers are
Are you suggesting that protests have not ended violently? Are you suggesting that prominent figures of the movement have not advocated violence? This is a good sum of thoughts, though not fact specific since that takes time. Perhaps the movement is not defined by a violent few, but violence does arise from the protests, distrust, and even a person saying "abolish police" on the topic
By having the public believe that policemen are the "enemy" and then allow for crimes to be committed in their cause, how is that not violence for political gain?
then they can't be a terrorist organization can they?
BLM isnt organized. They have no platform
unless you can show me where BLM has advocated for terrorism then this debate topic is untrue.
they don't use fear anymore than trump uses fear if illegal immigrants, Democrats stealing your guns etc. using fear and using violence are not the same thing.
they do advocate for protests and demonstrations. some of these demonstrations and protests can turn violent. but BLM did not advocate for violence and actively denounces the use of violence.
Terrorism is the use of terror to achieve a political goal. Basically you can use terror without being a terrorist, to this end. Does BLM use fear to push a political agenda? The cause does not need to be just for it to still be terrorism. Hate groups are a step down, working within legal means, and the moral issue is null. Main feature that one would argue is the use of riots when things don't go in BLM's favor, which aren't legal and terrifying to be caught up in, not to mention it instigates violence.
I'm debating the topic and ignoring your attempt to derail it. you responded that you could agree or disagree with the debate topic without being a hypocrite. I explained why you can't agree with the topic and not be a hypocrite.
What the hell did I say? I said there are terrorist among the group. I never said the group advocated for violence now, I said radical ideals. One of which is removing all cops. I never said it was a terrorist organization. If you want me to talk to you like a big boy, do not take my words and distort them.
if an organization advocates terrorism then they are a terrorist organization. if they don't they are not. since the BLM organization does not advocate violence they are not a terrorist organization. it is extremely simple.
the group may have radical ideals but they do not advocate violence. they consistently denounce violent actions. so it doesn't matter how many terrorists might support that organization, the organization is not a terrorist organization because the organization denounces terrorism. until the BLM starts yelling people to commit terrorist activities they are not a terrorist organization. I really don't see how you could think otherwise without being a complete idiot.
Christianity denounces terrorism and there are lots of Christian terrorists. is Christianity(or one specific branch of it) a terrorist organization?
The group issues very radical policies and they have terrorist among the movement. If I agree or disagree with it, it won't make me a hypocrite. Can't we state that a group may or may not be a terrorist organization without basing Trump, or is your attention span equalivent to a Dodo bird?
the topic is hypocritical. you specifically haven't agreed or disagreed yet. but if you agree with this debate topic you are a hypocrite.
How am I a hypocrite for stating there are terrorist among the BLM? I have not seen a case of a violent Trump supporter. I have seen some of them yell nasty things, but that is about it. The left is more violent than the right this election year.
it is an organization promoting equality. they do not advocate for violence.
some of their supporters want to use violence. that doesn't make black lives matter a terrorist organization. they have spoken out against the acts if violence.
some trump supporters use violence. he doesn't speak our against the violence and yet you say he is great. you are such hypocrites.
it's a hate group, but not sure it's a terrorist group, as the main goal of the group is to spread hate on cops.
the consequences of BLM are: increased deaths of cops and massive increases in deaths of blacks
It certainly has lots of terrorist supporting the organization.