The debate "Black Lives Matter isnt about shootings. But that our reality is not unforgivable yet unforgiving" was started by
October 14, 2016, 12:30 am.
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davidsmiley posted 6 arguments to the agreers part.
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davidsmiley, nick, monikofos and 12 visitors agree.
Nemiroff, Yanksxx21 and 6 visitors disagree.
dude really.1 provide evidence and 2 stop being a troll
I'm white and I also know a lot of white people (and black) and I disagree that we think it's about us or the empowerment of another race. I encourage every race to be fairly portrayed.
1i do that. then somone says that I must say African American so that I'm not racist which is ridiculous because I'm white and I'm not offended being called white instead of Caucasian though I can't talk for everyone.
2 please explain further what u mean by racist . I would not say I am but I'm confused by what u mean.
3yay media sucks. it warps facts and what's real just to et better Reviews.a and I agree on mingling.
also I have a question for u. what is ur option on reverse racism?I see this a lot where I am and I think it's not right and it is hurting us as a whole
black lives in whole are absolutely worthless. scum of society
Right on brotherman.
may I ask your views on white privilege? I think it is an inaccurate and counterproductive term.
is there evidence of malicuous political origin?
the thimg White people dont umderstand is everythig isnt About Them. but theyre threatened by the thought of a national movement empowering another race so they interject themselves into the mix.
From one black person, all my friends and family and colleagues, to you and whoever else may be reading-
1. Aknowledge us. Say black, out loud, with the intention of speaking an entire race of people into existence.
2. Let yourself be racist. Stop saying you dont see color we know damn you do, youre not a dog. We know you have problems with us. We have problems with you too. The difference is were happy to tell a white person about their racism and exactly how it affects others. But instead of taking the criticism they say "well i have a black friend so they cancel out." No. No. I dont mean be racist as in hit the street with hooded sheets. I mean be racist as in acknowledge what your fears prejudices superstitions etc. are when it comes to race relations.
3. Mingle. We accept white people flaws and all, we just do. media seems to portray this HUGE chasm between us like earth and mars (we get dibs on earth) but walk into any black familys home hungy and see if you dont get fed. well dont walk in but you can knock without getting the cops called or shot through the door. in order to get past this race relations issue we have to blindly trust eachother. Yeah, thats scary for us too trust me, Im working on this one myself, I tend not to trust white peoples moral character. We dont have to change a thing to change the world. Just treat eachother like the brotherhood our nation is supposed to be.
90% of all people just repeat whatever is being said around them and don't really dig into the issues. it is very likely that many people who say alm are doing it out of naive ignorance, but the origins of the movement was a political response meant to diminish and dismiss blm.
now I am not blasting these people for being white. I am white, I am proud to be who I am. and I do not fault myself for any of the injustices brought upon the black or other minority communities. however I am not above telling someone that their lives do matter without having to inject myself selfishly into the conversation. especially if that someone has legitimate reasons to feel like their lives don't matter.
I didnt mean to say anything about economic issues, if it sounded like it.
90% of the white people saying ALM are not aware of the malice youre saying is behind it. So i should fix my argument by saying that those people in paticular say ALM in good faith that it is a positive message, not knowing that what it really yields is dichotomy and that it severely diminishes the attention that BLM deserves.
Education, not college, but Education, is tge only way to solve this. our press exists to sensationalize and excite, instead of inform and enlighten.
for the record, I am white. and the disparities are... complicated. however economic hardships are not the issue here. a slogan as powerful as black lives matters has never been used for poverty.
I really think that it is very much about the fact that people are actually dying, unjustly. thus the question is, do their lives matter?
the slogan of all lives matters is true altruistic, but it's not like the groups that adopted it didn't have a rather predisposed record on racial issues. it's not the slogan I have a problem with. it's the movement which by no means had any good intentions. it was a breitbart reaction.
now white privilege is a term that I have some serious issues with.
as far as my original post, what it means to say is that black people have Always been killed on this soil for no reason other than the fear that we might cause harm, while we arent causimg any harm!
The thing is, two wrongs dont make it right. So just stop shooting us or youre eating this rock.
We can get over the past, but not if they continue to perpetuate it. Race relations have gotten Way better for white people, they seem to think knowing were here is enough. Meanwhile we're expendable as long as were dressed right and walking down the right block and not making any threatening gestures like having our hands in a pocket.
In definition, the three words, All Lives Matter equate to an altruistic mode. The issue here is not their intention.
Youre right, some looked at black lives matter and scoffed, "well so does mine, ALL lives matter." And theyre 100% correct. no one can say, in altruism, that Not All Lives Matter.
The problem is, and you're right again, its Etremely Condescending Innapropriate and Inconsiderate for Any white person to fail to acknowledge that there is disparity oncthe black community, and thats what theyre doing when they say "All."
We 'All' know damn well White Lives Matter, when has that Ever been in question?
What you, however, are failing to acknowledge is that white people Dont Like saying Black. They would rather "not see color" whatever that means.
That doesnt make them condescending, just dumb. But if we as black people get behind them and explain to them why theyre *being dumb
(without being condescending, the definition of dumb is not speaking as they refuse to say Black)
then maybe we can get them to see the the threat posed to black people instead of the threat black people are to them. cause were not.
Dear white people,
Youre white, were black, we call you white, its ok to say Black. you can participate in the movement against a police force that seems more like a standing army without looking over your shoulder when you hear race mentioned. we love white people, look at Michael Bolton. If youre upset that cops killed your cousin for no reason, join us, as soon as we get smart enough to stop burning grocery stores and then looking for food the next day.
what exactly was their intention?
Black Lives Matter was in response to a consistent killing of unarmed black people.
Blue Lives Matter was in response to a sudden hostile stance towards police in general.
what exactly was all lives matters about besides being condescending. you can claim that they were just the confused kid "feeling left out" but the rhetoric of their campaign was quite nasty.
no they arent trying to. they inadvertently did, but they had good intention. Theyre like the kid between parents in a divorce wondering what they did wrong to cause this. Maybe they did, they damn sure perpetuate the problem with all that whining and shit everytime we get a little disgruntled. But in general we shouldnt be getting rage drunk and beating our partner.
I disagree that all lives matters is a positive movement. black lives matters and blue lives matters are both representing groups that are under attack and need to be said. ALM are just trying to dilute and minimize BLM.
In their ideal theories; All lives matter is a positive force. Blue lives is a positive force. Black lives matter is a positive force.
The fallacy in saying that BLM should be *changed to ALM lies in the fact that it undermines what is the case.
*To make the BLM movement not exist and instead assert that ALM is equivalent to telling one of your children that all hunger matters, then giving them half a plate of food, while their siblings enjoy a full plate at no expense to them.
The opposite of Black Lives Matter is not All Lives Matter.
BLM does not refute or go against or undermine ALM in any way.
It points to an issue.
If White people want to assert that All Lives Matter, they should look within themselves to care for that ideology.
Meaning they should recognize, and acknowledge that there is a dichotomy between the generalized conceptions of a black persons worth vs a white persons.
Many people think of sagging pants first when they hear black. When i meet people for the first time, they are all too happy to tell me that Im so different than they assumed.
And they say so with a smile!
The opposite of Black Lives Matter is Black Lives Do Not Matter.
BLM is not about cops killing blacks, as they often do whites.
But it came to light because, hell, were already systematically opressed. we can talk abiut that too if youd like. the shootings were just a flame to the fumes.
elaborate please. although, even if it has a secondary purpose, it is still very much about the shootings. when innocent people are dying, that is usually the main concern, not underlying issues.