The debate "Burning the American flag is much worse than flying a confederate flag." was started by
October 12, 2015, 8:56 pm.
22 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 13 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.
PsychDave posted 4 arguments, Hitmenjr posted 1 argument, AstroSpace posted 5 arguments, bigB posted 16 arguments to the agreers part.
Sosocratese posted 1 argument, omactivate posted 16 arguments, WaspToxin posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.
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Sosocratese, CodeNameBlackLion, omactivate, historybuff, WaspToxin and 8 visitors disagree.
You only answer questions from the one's who agree with your statement but disregard the one's who don't
what "evidence", who haven't provided any but opinions
wasptoxin's reason is bad. I agree with that but you see the evidence why I'm right throughout the argument
If you have a flag on a flag pole, how does that cause more problems? At least a flying flag is unlikely to burn anyone or damage property.
If you just take a flag and set it on fire, I don't see how that could cause problems for anyone...
no I said the north did which was true for.a large portion of the war also Lincoln issued the emancipation proclamation when the iron was hot and people felt inspired so that he could fuel the country
You say the south had no spirit and hope?
there wasn't enough support due to the lack of spirit and hope that the south would lose
He wouldn't get approval from enough people
If the war was about slavery then why didn't he issue the Emancipation earlier in the war? Why did two states in the Union still have slavery when the war ended? So his speech of preserving the Union in the beginning of the war was a lie?
well the farmers fighting were fighting for just their home? because if they were then they would let the union come in and make slavery illegal. They fought for the little economy the south had that was created by slaves. They wanted to keep slavery
burning the flag doesn't symbolyze a prejudice against anyone in particular. section 1 of The fourteenth amendment to our constitution protects our privileges and immunities. Our constitution's immunities and privilages clause was made to protect from discrimination. Flying the confederate flag is an act of discrimination against blacks. Lincoln wanted to bring the entire nation back together but this fight was also about racism and slavery. After all it's why the confederacy seceded.
ooh and one more point; Lincoln stated that if he could preserve the Union by freeing the slaves in rebel held territory he would, if he did not have to free the slaves in rebel held territory he would; freeing the slaves in rebel held territory was more of an economic view.... And one more thing, when the Emancipation Proclamation was issued it only freed the slaves in rebel held territory, West Virginia and Missouri still had slavery legal after The War of Northern Aggression
well have you?
Kinda crazy a US president had to raise an army to invade his own country. Many people who fought for the South were poor farmers and such, many of them were too poor to own slaves. Majority of the population viewed the Union was invading their land. It's funny I mentioned my cousin's and you totally negate it. You have no idea what it's like down here or the view of the people who live here. I guess it's typical for Yankees to tell people how to live their lives, all I know is you say it's stupid because black people are proud of their heritage, I think it's stupid you comment on a subject without talking to a soul about their views. Have you asked a black person why they would support the Confederate flag?
the Confederate States of America fought for secession from the North, not just slavery. Abraham Lincoln wanted to avoid the separation of America.
That's exactly right Dave. If flying a flag is outlawed, then why should burning it be allowed? If burning a flag is outlawed, then why should flying one be allowed? The 1st amendment states that either of those are acceptable, so trying to ban a flag is an infringement on the first amendment.
people believe the confederacy was people fighting for America. The confederacy fought for racism and slavery against the United States
Your entire premise for why burning the flag isn't as bad as flying the Confederate flag is that you consider one free speech and the other not. Where do you feel that distinction cones from? If burning a flag is free speech, how is flying one not?
I would bet it is based on ignorance and being culturally absorbed by people who believe that the confederacy was based on something other than racism and slavery.
Ooh alright, well I disagree with you on the entirety of this subject. If you get a chance to talk to a black person who supports the Confederate flag, take it and ask them why
they defended the home that hated their entire race and not the union that wanted their race's freedom
I would consider Lee racist for fighting for the racist slave-owners
I only used the Nazi symbol as a reference to the idea of symbolism associated with hatred. That's all I was trying to do
Firstly, they were defending their home.
I got a question for you; would you consider General Lee racist because he fought for the South, even though he didn't own slaves and publicly looked down on slavery?
that is like news fighting for the Nazis. it just seems wrong.
props to their family members for fighting for the side that hated their race
The Nazi's symbol is used for hatred and society sees it that way, even though it was a symbol taken from Buddhism. However, the Nazi's symbol breaks towards the right, the Buddhist symbol breaks toward the left
No they don't consider it a symbol of oppression. Granted their great, great grandparents did come over on slave ships; however, their family were freed and they fought for the Confederate's. They view the flag as a symbol of their heritage. Yes slavery is wrong, but now many do not view the Confederate flag as a symbol of racism. It is used by a small group of extremist
I mean no disrespect but the confederate flag is a symbol of the country that forced slaves to do free work because they didn't like their skin color. Your cousin's should understand that the flag means discrimination against there race.
Really? WOW! Now tell me why I should be ashamed of flying the Confederate flag? Why should my cousin's be ashamed of flying the Confederate flag?
no matter how many people say the confederate flag is part of their heritage it's still a symbol of racism. People who say the flag is their heritage, white or black, should be ashamed
Nailed it, I'm with you BigB.
So yes, burning the American flag is much worse than flying the Confederate flag
What about the free black slaves that fought for the Confederacy during the war of Northern Aggression?
You're wrong. There are black's down here who fly the Confederate flag (I'm white with black cousin's). That's a piece of news that doesn't fit your idea of the Southern States. You assume you know what it's like to live down here. Most people down here consider the Confederate flag part of heritage
we have the right to protest our government. we don't have the right to symbolize racism and hate. Are you saying black people don't have to watch the confederate flag all the time down south?
omactivate, you're telling me veterans don't have to watch their flag being stepped on and burned? It is everywhere, so that arguement is futile.
the flying of the confederate flag isn't because it's hard not to watch if it's being filed up high. The confederate flag is a symbol of hate and racism
the burning of our flag is protected by the second amendment because no one must watch it
I was under the impression that it was the white field on the second national flag that represented white supremacy, not the bars on the battle flag.
I know i shouldn't dis the confederate flag because I have southern roots but...The white bars actually mean white superiority.
The Confederate flag is a historical symbol used to bring together men under a common cause. Racist meanings have been attributed to it, but the flag itself is not a racist symbol. Burning a flag is intended to be inflammatory. It is a form of protest that is intentionally disrespectful to the nation the flag represents. This would seem to be significantly worse in my opinion.
It's all in the context. If you're flying the conservative flag at a museum, historical site, or for a reenactment its completely different than if you're flying it at an MLK memorial March.... If you're burning the flag in protest of something and are using it as a way to start a conversation, it is different than simply burning the flag to incite the public.