Chemistry should be a branch of physics

June 21, 2020, 4:09 am

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The debate "Chemistry should be a branch of physics" was started by diecinueve on June 21, 2020, 4:09 am. 23 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 15 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

diecinueve posted 2 arguments to the agreers part.
Nemiroff posted 3 arguments, TheExistentialist posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.

AerichJ and 22 visitors agree.
Nemiroff, LastRadiation, TheExistentialist, SirP, Abeah and 10 visitors disagree.

physics and chemistry do overlap; however, they're not the same. Chemistry for example doesn't even study certain particles and fields that physics does study closely. Quarks, mu, tau leptons, etc... are never even considered in Chemistry. When studying gravitational waves, boson fields, optics, etc... no training in chemistry will help you understand these concepts.
Physics and chemistry are both very complex and broad subjects and combining the two would simply conflate it and make education much harder to navigate. If you want to study organic chemistry, industrial chemistry, astrochemistry etc... you don't need to study quantum theory. If, on the other hand you want to study optics, gravity, quantum fields, etc... then you don't need education in stoichiometry, biochem or organic chem, etc...

4 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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all sciences are simply studying reality and all of their findings must eventually converge. all of them.

4 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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and biology studies how matter and energy interact in complex systems.

your definition is too vague. cops, lawyers, and legislators all deal with law... completely different fields, skills, requirements. farmers, cooks, and waiters all deal with food... all completely different.

PHYSics deals with PHYSical changes.
CHEMistry deals with CHEMical changes.
chemical changes are fundamentally different. o3 is not o2 but 50% more, its a completely different substance that behaves in a completely different way.

suddenly items that were insulators become conductors, solids become gases, medicines become poisons, and hard becomes soft. yeah, physics can turn a solid into gas with heat, but it is the same substance and it will go back to solid as it cools at precisely the same temperatures. it wont turn milk into bone (both calicum). a chemical change resets all properties like melting points.

4 months, 1 week ago
diecinueve
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physics also studies how matter and energy change and interact

4 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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so physics and chemistry study matter and energy, meanwhile biology studies highly organized matter and energy? sounds pretty similar.

physics: study of matter and energy
chemistry: study of how matter and energy change and interact
biology: study of how the interactions of matter and energy interact in complex systems.

each one is just a slight elaboration of the other.

4 months, 1 week ago

Both physics and chemistry study matter and energy, only with a different approach. Instead, mathematics and biology study different things. And although life is actually interactions of matter and energy, it manages to form something very different, instead chemistry remains only in interactions of matter and energy

4 months, 1 week ago

Then physics should be a branch of mathematics, and mathematics should be a branch of epistemology, and epistemology should be a branch of metaphysics.

Technically these are true, but it's easier to compartmentalize fields otherwise the complexity is overwhelming.

4 months, 1 week ago

then biology should be a branch of chemistry

4 months, 1 week ago
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