The debate "Chemtrails are harming the Earth." was started by
September 8, 2015, 12:25 pm.
38 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 12 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.
Marvelgirl2002 posted 5 arguments, AstroSpace posted 2 arguments to the agreers part.
sloanstar1000 posted 4 arguments, PsychDave posted 6 arguments, Sosocratese posted 4 arguments to the disagreers part.
Marvelgirl2002, Moo1, AstroSpace, theQueenofdebate, countrybumpkin, Neaa, sidhant, Tristanzee, Hellrazor, WaspToxin, DannyknowsItAll, Sally, action007man, AngryBlogger, cancer_wins and 23 visitors agree.
sloanstar1000, PsychDave, Sosocratese, ReedSchneider, athinus, Zachfive and 6 visitors disagree.
Then why have you voted that they are harming the earth?
No, I'm arguing that they may not even be real for those reasons.
chemtrails aren't a thing...
I don't understand, are you arguing that chem trails are not harmful? I know my votes get changed fairly regularly when I go into topics so that might be why your vote seems to oppose your argument but I wanted to ask.
The only problem with the chemtrail idea is that when you see these trails, they are left by a wide variety of planes. Boeing 747s, LeerJets, Airbus, etc. Would the government really need such a wide variety of planes to release chem trails? And why would they use civilian planes as well?
My apologies, Geoengineeringwatch.org is still up and running. However, it still has no primary sources (that should be the first clue that it's not credible information), it doesn't credit the original authors for many of its stories, they have been show to blatantly misrepresent/misuse information, there are also plenty of stories which show Geoengineeringwatch.org to have edited and manufactured photos....they ran a few stories on HAARP and actually got the acronym wrong....
Dane wigington, the person running Geoengineeringwatch.org, has no scientific background. He has a background in solar energy and was a registered contractor. He mostly focused on renewable energy. He has made multiple statements in the media which have later come into question. He has cited some research papers which were later found to not contain any of the information he claims, he has also been caught misrepresenting research papers and drawing conclusions which the original authors dismissed as not true....
You need to find a more reputable source...
Contrails can persist if humidity is high enough. There is no reason why they couldn't. The conditions don't have to be extreme by any means.
Geoengineering.org does not exist.
I think you mean Geoengineeringwatch.org.
The website was also shut down a while ago. I am familiar with the site however, and can tell you they never cited any primary sources. They have also been criticized for posting fake and manipulated images to further their points..... Are you sure you're getting good information?
The atmosphere is cold. Agree? Anyone who went to school will know that. The water from the HOT plane engine will condense in the COLD air above. As the water adjusts to the temperature, it will vanish. How will contrails last hours unless the conditions are extreme? Sounds like they are protecting themselves.
Common Sense and geoengineering. org
There is no evidence that Chemtrails exist. If you believe that they do, please give us some sources. The length of persistence of contrails is dependent on the humidity and temperature. Contrails can last for hours if the humidity is higher. Contrails have been well documented to last for hours. Most scientific sources will tell you that chemtrails are nothing more than urban legend.
About you saying about the secrecy having to be kept. The people who would refill the tanks would think it would be just fuel. In fact, a lot of the crew would probably not be aware of this.
And the argument about chemtrails and contrails being the same thing: you have all seen contrails - the ones that disappear after a few seconds, and you've all seen chemtrails - the trails that streak the sky and do not disappear. What is the difference between these two? Chemicals are added to the last one.
You seem to have misunderstood, so I apologize if I was not clear enough. When I said that I had never seen any evidence to support the claim, I meant the claim that the trails are in any way harmful. Of course I have seen contrails.
Sloanstar1000 has explained the basics of how contrails work, so I will take a different approach. If some agency was trying to release chemical agents, releasing them several kilometres above ground level is about the least effective way to deliver them. The atmospheric conditions will be so variable that there is no way to predict where they will land or in what quantity.
Furthermore the extra weight required would prevent the aircraft from carrying either passengers or luggage (in the case of commercial jets) so we would either see extra planes that are unaccounted for in official flight plans, of planes would have to leave half loaded since otherwise they would be overweight to fly.
Finally in order to maintain the secrecy of any kind of project like this it would mean that every pilot, crew member, ground crew and airline employee would be in on the secret since they would all have some part to play. Pilots and crew would have to disperse the hypothetical agent, ground crew would have to refill the tanks, and other airline employees would have to plan out the logistics. The government has demonstrated that they are not very good at keeping secrets if more than a handful know, and this one would require thousands of normal, average people being willing to help keep it a secret as well as being willing to poison their friends and families (since you are working on the assumption that they are harmful).
marvelgirl... no, you just assumed that it couldn't possibly be contrails because there are gaps in them. The reason there are gaps is because water from plane exhaust is seen in layers of higher humidity, and of course, humidity varies in the atmosphere with layers and convection currents.
I'm sure you've probably noted those white things floating in the sky caused by differences in humidity when you go outside, they're clouds, and they aren't usually covering the entire sky, they are separated by humidity levels.
Now that that's settled, what else makes you think that chemicals(that seem to be conveniently unknown) are being released into the atmosphere by planes for no reason?
Who said that we wanted you to make our case for us? I asked the question out of curiosity.
Chemtrails are everywhere in the sky. I'm sure you know what they look like despite ?not seeing any?.
Do you say that you haven't seen any because you think that they are contrails? They are not and there is proof: contrails are constant, it is the water in the air being heated and cooled, that's why it disappears after a little. Sometimes there can be blockages in the plane where the chemicals are released meaning that there are gaps where nothing comes out, this means that it couldn't possibly be a contrail.
Do you use deodorant? If so, what kind?
like the psychdave below me said, its up to the proponents of the chemtrails argument to make their case, we can't make it for them.
For the same reason I don't believe that the tooth fairy is real, I have never seen any evidence to support the claim.
First of all, why do you believe that they are harmless or don't exist?
Could someone give supporting evidence? There are 8 people who believe that chem trails are harmful but as yet none have explained why.
There is no evidence that chemtrails exist....
I have yet to see any credible evidence showing that chem trails are in any way harmful beyond the fact that they are combustion engines and thus produce greenhouse gases.
That said, if anyone has evidence to offer I would be interested in reading it.
this is complete nonsense, no evidence for chemtrails, just conspiracy bs.
Give your views! Is this just a conspiracy theory or is it slowly killing the world?!
GIVE YOUR OPINION AND EXPLAIN WHY!