The debate "Christians in the west are stupid." was started by
December 25, 2016, 12:11 pm.
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thereal posted 16 arguments to the agreers part.
thereal posted 1 argument, Blue_ray posted 8 arguments, PoliticsAsUsual posted 5 arguments, neveralone posted 2 arguments to the disagreers part.
thereal, WolfiesMom, karlos, ProfDoke, makson and 12 visitors agree.
Blue_ray, PoliticsAsUsual, harshita, BlackRavan, neveralone, Rajat, HellaJeff, redeemed, LeftoverEye70, human and 17 visitors disagree.
"politicsasusual, youre a retard so theres no point of me explaining logic to you. once again, you cant attack the message because you dont know anything about it so you attack the messenger, like a hoe. stupid people dont realise they are stupid and youre far below my intelectual level so we shall leave it at you being a stupid child."
I attack the messenger? that's the ONLY thing you have done this entire time dumbass. it's amazing how sensitive you are to insults when you dish them out so freely.
I do agree that stupid people don't realize their stupid. indeed idiots often think that the rest of the world is full of fools who are "far below their intellectual level (spelled with 2 L's mr. self proclaimed genius). Claims of superiority always come from the dumbest amongst us. as Einstien once said, "the more I learn, the more I realize I don't know." clearly you've learned very little in your life.
Thereal, you know what actually prevents STD and unwanted pregnancy? Safe sex. Abstinence education does not work, so touting it as a solution is lying. You may honestly believe it if you are also lying to yourself, but a brief look into how effective abstinence is compared to other forms of birth control would make that position indefensible.
If the church is the source of all morals, why have so many priests molested children? Why has the church killed and tortured in God's name? If the only thing stopping you from killing people is the church saying it's bad, you are not a good person.
thereal, youre a retard so theres no point of me explaining logic to you. once again, you cant attack the message because you dont know anything about it so you attack the messenger, like a pig. stupid people dont realise they are stupid and youre far below my intelectual level so we shall leave it at you being a stupid child.
politicsasusual, youre a retard so theres no point of me explaining logic to you. once again, you cant attack the message because you dont know anything about it so you attack the messenger, like a hoe. stupid people dont realise they are stupid and youre far below my intelectual level so we shall leave it at you being a stupid child. PsychDave, the church's stand on safe sex is the best one possible. Because you know what reduces the chance of STDs more than condoms? not having sex with someone before you are married to them and know them fully. its well known that promiscuity is what leads to these STDs. the churches view is absolutely fine but society todays is so perverse that people are too weak to keep to it. Modern society would say "murder him painlessly", religion would say "dont kill at all". Obviously im not saying modern society allows murder but i wouldnt be surprised if in the future it did because there are no limits to human immorality when religion doesnt exist in its intended form.
That's why I haven't voted on this topic, because not all Christians are stupid by a long shot. The church's opposition to condoms and safe sex is one easy example of stupidity that is enshrined in the largest voice for Christianity, which is why I used it as an example.
as with most groups. on the safe sex thing and teaching. I would say that I would prefer u not too have sex but I won't force u. I would definitely say we need sex Ed. for one it discourages sex before marriage and also if u do do it u will more than likely do what u call safe sex but I would call "less likely to get illnesses and babies" sex.haha.
I don't believe all Christians are stupid any more than I believe any broad group of people can be defined by one characteristic. There are a substantial population who are either inadvertently or willfully ignorant, and as a result attack thinks like gay rights and evolution based on their religious biases. In my view this is stupid. The Catholic Church is the single largest voice for Christianity, and it opposes sex Ed and safe sex, both of which lower the risks of sexually transmitted diseases and unexpected pregnancy. This again strikes me as a stupid position.
In short I don't believe each individual is stupid, but there are some overarching positions and beliefs that, in view of readily available information, are very misguided.
this is still painting a large group with a tiny brush. this is like saying all atheist are idiots. or people in Louisiana love mudding, or that all black people like chicken. we all who aren't racist I can safely assume believes each of these examples to be wrong. so why did it change when the word Christian came into play?
So to be a world leader, I have to care about people fornicating? Good to know
"your perverse interpretation of loving thy neighbour is to let them do whatever they want, and i expected nothing less from someone like you. the true act of loving your neighbour would be to promote good behaviour to them. for example if they drink, as a good christian the act of loving your neighbour would be to inform them that the bible looks down on drinking and drunkeness is a sin. THAT is loving your neighbour. the "christianity" we see today is paganism."
lol, sounds like your love for your neighbor is remarkably similar to the isis definition of love. save the soul, by force if necessary. your just a sad little hate monger trying to establish your version of sharia law. your the farthest thing from a real christian.
jesus may have had strong words for those who abuse power, but you are hating on the powerless who are just trying to lead peaceful life. even if jesus used strong words in some cases, he was seen as a king and a God by believers. what makes you have the right to behave like god? his INSTRUCTIONS given to his followers was exclusively peace, love, and respect. and you are shitting all over his instructions.
""WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES!? you are the children of them which KILLED the prophets. FILL YOU UP then the measure of your fathers."
"You SERPENTS, you GENERATION OF SNAKES? you KILL AND CRUCIFY? you SCOURGE in your synagogues? Behold your house is left unto you DESOLATE"
these are insults that JESUS said to PRIESTS and THEOLOGIANS in the SYNAGOGUES. Step down little boy."
he said that to leaders and preachers who were public figures and had power and caused suffering, not private individuals not living up to your sad little standards. what does the bible say about prostitution? nothing positive, yet did he insult and verbally attack Mary Magdelin, or did he treat her with respect and saves the preaching for an appropriate time, which wasn't in every instance they met...
your comparing standing up to people who abuse power with harassing private indivudals trying to lead personal lives.
"technically speaking, any person who assumes somebody is christian when that person never claimed to be one is the stupid one. you are clearly the christians referred to in this debate."
lmao. who is the one assuming I am Christian? therefore by your own logic, technically speaking, your an idiot.
thereal, what do you actually mean by stupidity of western christianity? i mean to ask by which dimension or sense you actually mean that?
So you believe it is a leader's responsibility and prerogative to dictate every aspect of their followers' lives both public and private? That seems like government over reach when they start telling you when you can and cannot have sex.
Sorry thereal, I have a job, so I went to work and didn't reply to your inane insults earlier.
Christianity has not only said all of the things I listed as being good, but has actively done them. Christian fundamentalists have killed abortion doctors and fire bombed their clinics. They have tortured people and killed people for being different for centuries. Unless you can justify these actions, I would say that are stupid things to do.
The Westboro Baptist Church are western Christians. Would you say they are bastions of intelligence? Christianity fought against the idea that the earth orbits the sun for years and is currently fighting a similar losing war against evolution. Do you think disbelief in all available evidence is a sign of intelligence?
- we have that same saying.
- we are agaisnt getting drunk. which does create problems
- but those people that get affected do care.
for us we don't have to be the murder victims friend to feel there pain. or the person in the wreck. or the person getting abused by the drunk. or the person in the sex crud. we feel for these people.
and that, apollo, is why people like you are citizen material, not leadership material. if world leaders were like you, civilisation would still be stuck in the dark ages. stay in your lane, boy.
-Committing murder: I have empathy, a sense of how others feel. This leads to the golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. This precludes murder. If i lived next door to a murder, my life would be in danger; so yes that would concern me.
-If someone gets in a wreck: Unless someone is badly injured, deceased, or im involved; this I dont care about
- Im against drinking and driving. Im also against texting and driving. But not against someone just texting or drinking.
-Strangers fornicating: Has no real effect on my life. Zero concern.
why do u care if somone kills somone or if they get in a wreck?
In regard to judgement, one must judge the action to be wrong.
My mindset us not giving a f*** about strangers having sex and drinking. Why do you care so much?
you Russian bastard, If children arent taught about santa, They wouldnt learn religion. Soon christianity would come to a dead end. We have schools to teach children about respecting parents. Children need to learn religion in their homes in a fun way. You cant expect a 5 year old to visit the church and chant with the father in order to learn religion.
you dont know shit psych dave, i dismantled arguments like yours long ago.
yeah, what rogue said. psychdave your point is completely invalid. another stupid thing is how christians in the west work hard to earn money and buy toys for their children in christmas and then they teach that it was some fat old white guy that brought it to them. Sure it may sound all fun and games in the beginning but it subliminally teaches children not to be grateful and not to appreciate their parents from a young age. The whole foundation of this culture literally breeds shit.
Nobody would say those are good things. I dont see where you are coming from.
Because consensual sex is the worst crime out there. Burning innocent people as witches is ok. So is torture and murder, as long as you justify it as being for God. Bombing medical buildings and killing doctors is a good thing if they are doing something you disagree with. Obviously it is the people who don't care who are committing crimes of passion and violence in God's name.
its not about the sins being on the same level, its about your f***ed up mindset. your mindset of "not giving a f***" is what allows these worser crimes to get into the norm and be ignored. it is a symbol of the deeper desires that your perverse mind has.
Yeah because committing murder and grooming children is on the same level as drinking and having sex.
hmmm. Apollo and Historybuff vs thereal...........
historybluff, i dont expect your very limited brain with the IQ of a 4 year old to understand. youre not even christian lmao, f*** off. As with you apollo, youre a cancer. your logic is floored on so many different levels. so what would you do if you found out your neighbour was planning to commit murder, not give a f***? what would you do if you found out your neighbour was grooming children, not give a f***? people like you are the very bottom, shit of society.
"for example if they drink, as a good christian the act of loving your neighbour would be to inform them that the bible looks down on drinking and drunkeness is a sin. "
I would argue this is the least effective way to get someone to stop drinking.
And have you tried not giving a f***? If not, i recommend it.
lmao so your interpretation of loving thy neighbor is to try to force your opinions and beliefs on them. I pity your family. your version of love sounds like being a judgemental ******.
iam curious and i'm dying out of curiousity. where are you from? Please..... for the sake of god...
your perverse interpretation of loving thy neighbour is to let them do whatever they want, and i expected nothing less from someone like you. the true act of loving your neighbour would be to promote good behaviour to them. for example if they drink, as a good christian the act of loving your neighbour would be to inform them that the bible looks down on drinking and drunkeness is a sin. THAT is loving your neighbour. the "christianity" we see today is paganism.
of course he taught those things but thats not the point here. the point is that jesus taught many other things such as not to get drunk, not to adulter etc (all things chrsitians do on his birthday) i never said he didnt teach other things. this debate is about stupid christians like you who cherrypick what they do and dont follow. once again you have lost the debate and you cant attack the message so you are attacking the messenger, with a bunch of irrelevant claims i may add.
so your saying jesus didn't teach to love thy neighbor or to turn the other cheek? to be kind and humble?
it doesnt matter
where are you from?
if jesus said all those things to PRIESTS back then who were still practising the scripture but had misinterpreted it slightly..... just imagine what he would say to you stupid f***ers today who are christian in name only but far more perverse than those priests in every way....??
criticising and judging others isnt a sin, dont be retard. you dont know shit about christianity. you havent studied it and you havent provided quotes as evidence. the only thing you have is your irrelevant, unimportant opinion. the reason that jesus didnt order that whore to be killed is because it was at the time when the (true) message of christianity was spreading and so he couldnt have expected everybody to know what was and wasnt moral in those confusing times. that doesnt mean he said people can commit whatever sins they want lmao you dumb shit.
he also said that he who is without sin should cast the first stone. Jesus was supposedly without sin. he can do things you can't. if you criticize and judge others then you are sinning and clearly do not understand what being a Christian means.
"WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES!? you are the children of them which KILLED the prophets. FILL YOU UP then the measure of your fathers."
"You SERPENTS, you GENERATION OF SNAKES? you KILL AND CRUCIFY? you SCOURGE in your synagogues? Behold your house is left unto you DESOLATE"
these are insults that JESUS said to PRIESTS and THEOLOGIANS in the SYNAGOGUES. Step down little boy.
"This, know also, that IN THE LAST DAYS, perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent [without self-control], fierce [brutal], despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady [reckless], high-minded [haughty], lovers of pleasures more than [rather than] lovers of God; having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away? EVER learning, and NEVER able to come to the knowledge of the truth" (II Tim. 3:1-7). in this quote jesus is very clearly referring to christians in the west today, including you politicsasusual.
bringing about the revival of christianities true message? spoken like a true idiot whos never read the bible a day in his life. i bet you dont go to church or even have a bible in your house lmao. pathetic. and im sure jesus taught "get drunk and fornicate on the day of my birth", christians are literally disrespecting jesus to the highest degree by doing everything the bible said not to do on the day he was supposedly born. the worst part is that youre too stupid to even see it. jesus said dont be materialistic so what do christians do on christmas? indulge in materialistic purchases that only promote greed and ungratefulness. jesus used to fast very often, so what do christians do on christmas? overeat, get drunk and adulter. jesus taught frequent remembrance of the lord, so what do christians do on christmas? do everything that is opposite of remembering god. you are dirt and you twist interpretations of the bible to suit conditions that are convenient for your weak self.
ill forgive you for not knowing that jesus insulted sinners since i dont really expect much from your uneducated self. theres levels to this shit.
technically speaking, any person who assumes somebody is christian when that person never claimed to be one is the stupid one. you are clearly the christians referred to in this debate. get over the "insults", theyre not insults they are facts. jesus himself insulted wrong doers in the bible, he called the Scribes and Pharisees "fools, hypocrites, blind guides, whited sepulchers, murderers, a generation of snakes," and youre complaining about me calling you stupid? people like you are worthy of even more insults because youre even more stupid and ignorant than the people jesus said those insults to.
technically speaking, any Christian using the word stupid to describe people is the stupid one. cause jesus totally taught "criticize thy neighbor"
don't Christian teaching teach to love thy neighbor? your breaking as many laws as the sinners, whereas "western christians" are following the true teachings and spreading love and respect in this life, leaving the judging to god. if anything western christians are bringing about the revival of Christianity's true message whereas christians in more "backward" parts of the world are still practicing an ignorant abonimination used by rulers during the west's darkest days to demonize scapegoats and abuse ordinary men.
Another reason is because the so called "priests" of christianity (not all but some) are pathetically weak as they beg for the approval of society by being willing to twist their bible and its interpretations just so they dont seem "backwards". this is pathetic, considering that they believe the bible is the orders of god given upin manking until judgement day. christianity may theoretically be the largest religion hut in actuality, 99% of christians dont even follow the bible. theyre only christian in medical forms, outside that theyre atheists.
there are many reasons why. one of which is that for christmas, they should be reading the bible and spending time with their families at home and church to think about God, but instead they get drunk in nightclubs, commit fornication and other horrible acts which the bible is against.