The debate "CNN is total and utter bias and Fox is better" was started by
July 16, 2016, 11:52 am.
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dalton7532 posted 5 arguments, RogueAmerican posted 1 argument, Nemiroff posted 3 arguments to the agreers part.
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MrShine, RogueAmerican, Bodaciouslady16, divine05, dalton7532, prashant and 16 visitors agree.
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no. sadly he is so emotionally invested in his outlook of the world that nothing short of Jesus descending from heaven and telling him he's wrong would change his mind. he will just ignore any and all evidence that disagrees with his chosen views. I've seen him do this on countless debates at this point.
he is more like every candidate and there would be nothing wrong with that, except he claimed he would not be like every candidate and would not do that.
what's wrong is not his actions but his lie that he would not take that action PERIOD, NOT JUST DURING PRIMARY.
I know Alex is about the repeat step 1 that he never said general and I will be leaving discussion as soon as he utters that stupidity.... unless you can show him saying, back in the primary, that he was not talking donations ONLY FOR THE PRIMARY.
no specification means the whole thing. I have no respect for Alex cause me and buff have been repeating this constantly and I'd like to believe Alex is just a troll and not that thick.
Hillary has lied, as have the vast majority of politicians. you can accept some flaws and still support a candidate. they are human, not perfect. but this refusal to admit any wrong doing of your candidate in even the most obvious and extreme situations is disgusting. you are the reason trump has literally said I can kill a man on the street and not lose an votes, and in my eyes that makes you a drone.
so now trump is more like every other politician. he never lied. he was unclear, but being unclear one time is not basis to be denied the presidency by voters.
because if he takes money during the general, he can still be bought in the presidency. I know he said he won't be bought, but every politician says that.
if you tell your fiance you won't cheat on her, does that mean only during the engagement, and once their married his promise is void? IF SOMEONE DOESN'T SPECIFY, IT MEANS THE WHOLE THING. either way, this will just fly over your head you drone.
the facts are he won the primary not using special interest money. now he is using donations. WHY IS THAT A PROBLEM? HE DIDN'T LIE.
dear god Alex. we show you things trump says and all you can say is
"Hillary is the person for saying things that don't mean a thing"
there is no debating with someone who completely ignored facts that inconvenient to them.
Hillary is the person for saying things that don't mean a thing
Did he promise not to accept money during his general election?
so he abandoned one of the principles that got him nominated the second he didn't need it anymore. that is the kind of man he is. the second he won the election his promises won't mean a thing.
not a lie unless he says he is self funded now. when he said "I'm self funded" he was self funded when he started taking money he stopped saying "I'm self funded" it's simple.
he said he was going to be self funded. he said he wasn't going to take money from special interests. he didn't put a time limit in it. so when he started taking their money he became a liar.
you jump through an awful lot of hoops trying to explain away Trump's lies.
so what you have on trump is that he is acting like a politician. ohh no!
if you quote trump saying he is self funded after the primary, or that If trump says he will be self funded in the general election we have a problem. right now we have no problem.
can you please quote him saying he's only self funding in the primary?
if the point was that his presidency won't be bought, how does taking money in the general going to keep him from being bought?
every politician says that taking money won't buy them.
He never lied. he just said he was self funded in the primary. that isn't a lie.
now he is taking money. he continues to say that his taking donations won't influence how he runs the country. I don't think anyone will be able to do that.
so he bragged about not being bought as a president, but then got bought in the general....
staying clean in the primaries only does nothing to keep you clean in the job. the whole election matters for that quality.
and it isn't necessary, the problem is he bragged about, which is now turning out to be a lie. you'll never let Hillary live down her lie, but Trump can commit literal murder and you'll find a way to excuse it lol.
not hating on trump here, hating on your double standard.
sure it does. but that's not a required quality to be president like being successful and trustworthy. so who cares? he didn't lie about it. he simply won the primary, then moved to the general election
so he bragged about how he didn't need money from special interests and how that made him a good candidate for president. he then started taking all the special interest money he could get. so that completely eliminates that as a viable reason to vote for him.
it doesn't, it just makes him win the primaries. you can't be president if you don't win the primaries.
he is not only doing small donations like bernie sanders. if he were he would have been bragging about that all over the place.
if someone is trying to not be bought, how does limiting that to only the primaries prevent him from being bought in the presidency?
he is taking special interest money just as fast as he can get it. that makes him dependent on them. he is now just as guilty of this as anyone else.
he can't get nearly as much because he is a horrible candidate and they aren't stupid enough to back him. that isn't a point in his favor. if they offered him more money he would take it in a heartbeat.
now he will take donations. he won't take the special interest groups at the rate hillary does however.
"By self-funding my campaign, I am not controlled by my donors, special interests or lobbyists. I am only working for the people of the U.S.!"
well now he is taking money from anyone willing ti fund him. now he is controlled by his donors and special interest groups. he has given up only working for the people the second he got rid of his Republican competition.
my bad. it was only for the primaries where he said he would not (and he didnt) take special interest money. I apologize for mistateing the facts.
you said he didn't take money from special interest groups. that was a lie. he does. after I show you an article proving that he does you act like it doesn't matter.
that is exactly why we call you intellectually dishonest. you praise trump for doing something. I show you it isn't true and you say it doesn't matter. you are completely brainwashed. he could murder someone right in front of you and you would probably defend him.
"Trump refuses to take money from spacial interest groups. if he was a greedy, money wanting person, he would take money from them, and from enimies of the US."
"historybuff the link you gave said people donate to trump. ohh my gosh, look at how bad trump is guys, people donated to him."
"you have to mock me for a news network I do not even watch 25 percent of the time to demonize my points"
it doesn't matter how much you watch it or not. you said it was quality news, and that is laughable. I've cited their fake liberals, I'm still waiting for you show me a fox liberal making a decent liberal argument or properly stating a liberal position.
I love the emotion, I don't mind the cursing, but please include some facts and sources to your bs accusations and right wing lies.
"Hillary Clinton lied about her emails. FACT! She changed most of her positions and lied about it to the voters. FACT! She has to be told how to be genuine and use real emotions. FACT! You should look at your own damn candidate before correcting one! You are such a hypocritical idiot with double standards. FACT!"
yes she did, but trump lied about self funding, even if it was a stupid lie, like most of his lies. FACT.
she changed positions over the course of years, trump changes positions over the course of hours. FACT
that 3rd thing is nonsense, everyone getting on stage is given direction on how to perform to the audience. women have always been accused of being quite pushovers and being too emotional. she has been in politics for decades, sorry if your double standards made her adapt. FACT
all our hypocritical, double standard, bs came with links, sources and FACTs. unlike anything coming from the right on this app. FACT.
"Quit it with the bs! He needed money to go into the general election campaign and there is nothing wrong with that. It was merely for the primaries and everybody knows that. I never expected him to self fund through the general election anyway."
I agree. I knew his claim to self fund his campaign was bs and said it during the primaries myself. there is nothing wrong with it usually, but usually people don't lie that their gonna self fund it. it was one of the biggest reasons you and others here gave for supporting him early in the primaries.
"People think Trump is an evil selfish monster, but everybody around him say otherwise"
many people who worked with him, including individual investors, major banks, and partners were screwed by him. they do not say otherwise.
even the guy who ghost wrote his book about the deal is now coming out criticizing him. he was paid well to make the real estate mogul look good, but now that he's running for president he regrets ever taking the job.
are you saying trumps own words about not raising his kids are lies? are direct quotes now bs too?
historybuff the link you gave said people donate to trump. ohh my gosh, look at how bad trump is guys, people donated to him.
the reality is trump has the least amount of money, spent the least amount of money. had billionaires, and big businesses given him millions and millions trump would not have a money problem. instead trump is short on money for his campaign, but could easily go hillary style to get some.
Quit it with the bs! He needed money to go into the general election campaign and there is nothing wrong with that. It was merely for the primaries and everybody knows that. I never expected him to self fund through the general election anyway.
People think Trump is an evil selfish monster, but everybody around him say otherwise and he his really selfless, not just including his family. Even people who were not that fond of him said "Wow, he is not who I thought he was, and why doesn't he act like this and talk about these things like education and inner city culture"
Historybuff, you are stating Trump as untrustworthy? Give me a break! Hillary Clinton lied about her emails. FACT! She changed most of her positions and lied about it to the voters. FACT! She has to be told how to be genuine and use real emotions. FACT! You should look at your own damn candidate before correcting one! You are such a hypocritical idiot with double standards. FACT!
Everybody who met Hillary said she screamed and yells at people, breaks things, and punched Bill Clinton in the eye. Shit, she even yelled for no reason at her secret service. Everybody who knows Trump personally says he is calm cool and collective. He yells on stage to captivate a point and frustration with the American people.
Don't say I have to attack Clinton to defend Trump because I already addressed Trump. Trump is not racist, bigoted, anti-immigrant, nor sexist. Quit it with your stupid liberal lies. He never said anything racist. His actions show he is not sexist. His plans are not bigoted, and he constantly says he loves immigrants. Get your facts straight!
You are so intellectually weak and stupid you have to mock me for a news network I do not even watch 25 percent of the time to demonize my points. You are a f**king idiot!
didn't hitler poison his wife?
"the minute he secured the nomination he started taking money from anyone and everyone. his campaign financing is now no different than other candidates. he is just as much of a sellout as anyone else. and considering how hard he campaigned on this, the fact that he turned his back on it is despicable. and it is also yet another reason he can't be trusted."
excellent point about "honest" donald, he lies more in a single speech then Hillary does over her career.
but you grossly overestimated his love for his family. I mean he may probably love them, but not enough to actually spend time with them.
note how all the recollections were of notes or phone calls, nothing about actually spending time with daddy. they seem to have turned out ok, in the few months they spent in the spotlight, whereas Chelsea has been in the media for decades and she's doing great, but let's ignore that right?
who cares what his family says? they are his family. they are extremely biased.
Hitler loved his family too. he wasn't a monster to his family.
he built buildings and made alot if money. that has nothing to do with making new York great. it was about making him rich and putting his name all over stuff.
he likes to say he doesn't take money from special interest groups. that too is lie.
the minute he secured the nomination he started taking money from anyone and everyone. his campaign financing is now no different than other candidates. he is just as much of a sellout as anyone else. and considering how hard he campaigned on this, the fact that he turned his back on it is despicable. and it is also yet another reason he can't be trusted.
"I mean, I won?t do anything to take care of them. I?ll supply funds and she?ll take care of the kids. It?s not like I?m gonna be walking the kids down Central Park."
ummm, special interest groups donate to campaigns, not his savings, and he's currently courting donors despite his self funding pledge.
and gotta love those kids. awww did he make nice notes on their report cards and when someone died he picked up the phone and called, is that supposed to be impressive. if his sign of support is a phone call makes you wonder how often he even spoke to them outside of tragic events.
I guess you don't know about his interviews where he pretty much laid out that he supplies the funds and let's his wives do the actual raising huh.
but it was said, so it must be true.
He puts his family first. I'm guessing you watched 0 speeches from his family this week, but they weren't raised by a selfish hitler figue, that's for sure.
His children said "Trump will see a story of someone being mistreated, then have his assistant do whatever to take care of them."
trump rebuilt many parts of NYC, partly for the money, partly cause he wanted to make NYC great again.
Trump refuses to take money from spacial interest groups. if he was a greedy, money wanting person, he would take money from them, and from enimies of the US.
Makes you think of who the real greedy person is huh?
oh. then yeah. he has proven his entire career that he puts his own financial success ahead if any other responsibilities.
I was talking more about his priorities. whether he would put the nation before his own interests. Trump may believe his proposed policies would help, but he'd abandon them in an instant if an opportunity to profit without major consequences shows itself.
trump might actually believe he is going to make the US great again. if you repeat the same lies often enough you can start to believe them.
his policies are terrible so he won't. but I wouldn't rule out that he thinks he will.
2 differences between Hitler and trump.
I don't think Trump wants to physically conquer the world militarily.
Hitler actually wanted to make Germany great again, not just himself.
they are both demigogs who swept to power without ever holding public office.
they both campaign on nationalistic xenophobia.
they both try to blame problems on a visible minority.
they both have a loud, angry rhetorical style that fires up a crowd.
they both want to tear up "bad deals".
btw, Hitler didn't campaign on a platform of killing people, just deporting them.... sounds familiar?
and yes, I've made the comparison between Trump and Hitler many times and I don't watch cnn, like buff said, the similarities are striking.
Alex, can you please cite cnn comparing trump to Hitler cause I'm seriously questioning your ability to read.
cnn reported on people, including major Republican donors, comparing trump to hitler, and even published Trump's response to the accusations.
your baseless accusations are about as honest as a fox news report. if you don't provide a link I'm just gonna assume your statements are utter nonsense.
someone not know liberal positions and agreeing with hannity without much of a fight is not a liberal....
Hitler was fascist and hated communism, which is the extreme from of socialism.
Trump is hyper nationalist and all about seclusion. Trump is also the demagogue running on a campaign of fear and order.
dalton, you could not be more wrong.
There are more similarities towards Bernie and Hitler than Trump. For instance, "Join the socialist revolution" *cough* *cough* -Bernie and Hitler
the only channel we should trust are BBC and France24.
there are alot of similarities between trump and Hitler. it isn't a bad comparison.
CNN saying trump is hitler. CNN participating in BLM protests. if you say it's fine for CNN to focus on pence- trump handshake and say it's good to focus on details, then why the lack of focus on the dems details.
Hanity thinking someone is a liberal doesn't mean one is a fake liberal.
who is a fake liberal?
why? for looking to deeply at a handshake? at least they don't misquote, misrepresent, and put on fake liberals to agree with them. I'm not judging cnn, but Noone in American mainstream is more biased than fox on any side of the spectrum.
sure. Fox learns right, CBC learns heavy american left. that's fine. CNN doesn't learn. they have fallen into the "bias" zone.
leaning is largely irrelevant if you do proper journalism. direct quotes without editing and in proper context. simple fact checking without opinion shouting. these basic principals are what make a journalist or source unbiased, inspite of being human and having personal opinions.
yeah our right would just barely brush the left edge of the Republican party. but to be fair, that's because you have shifted rediculously farther right in the last few decades.
CBC is liberal bias but not super bad like CNN, more like a Canadian left wing Fox News. since Canada as a whole Is pretty left, it's fine for CBC to be American far left.
Canadian broadcasting corporation. it is one of the main news sources in Canada.
they do lean a little left. but mostly for Canadian politics.
whats CBC buff?
I generally read BBC and CBC for day to day news coverage. and when I want information on a specific issue I look at lots of different sources.
historybuff what "other sources" do you trust?
but you do watch it. you do think they are a trustworthy source of news.
I have never even seen CNN. it is not the same thing.
Historybuff you need to shut up. You were constantly trying to insult me for a news network I do not even watch most of the time.
to be honest, i watch BBC, RUSSIA TODAY, france 24 and DW tv. i dont watch CNN. or Fox. because i dont trust their news.
dear god would you shut up. I've never seen or read anything from CNN. I have told you that repeatedly.
it is information available from many sources.
if you want to say she lied about Benghazi you need to be able to prove she lied about Benghazi. so far no one can do that. she said things that turned out to be wrong. but no one can prove she knew they were wrong at the time.
that's what CNN tells you...
the government received reports about protests. they received reports about that video. with these conflicting reports it is entirely possible for her to have said things that were incorrect without it being a lie.
I have yet to see any evidence proving that she knew the things she said were false.
Quit deflecting and attacking other people. You always get on us for attacking other people when we are discussing just one person. This is not about Bush it is about Clinton. Clinton is running now, not Bush! To be clear, Hillary lied about Benghazi. It was not a minor omission of details. You are being so intellectually dishonest and hypocritical right now. http://www.factcheck.org/2012/10/benghazi-timeline/ Look at the facts. She tried to cover up the lies by saying "My head was cloudy"
historybuff look up the last bengazi report that says hilary lied. if you can't find it I'll find it for you tonight.
you can't use charity money for whatever. it's not her money, it's a charity's money. so donating large amounts to a for profit failing business is very borderline.
clinton had no involvement in the security details of a random embassy. that was not part of her job. so she is blameless in that.
the Republicans have spent years trying to prove that she lied about Benghazi. they have spent millions of tax payer dollars trying to prove it. every report comes back the same. there is no evidence she lied. so the question becomes why do you believe she did when there is no evidence to support that?
and even if she had lied, it was a minor omission of details. bush lied and started a war in Iraq killing millions of people and costing trillions of dollars. if you want a lie to be pissed about I'd go with that one.
no the charity scandal was about foreign donors to her charity.
what is wrong with her donating to her husbands friends business? is she not allowed to use her money as she wants to?
benghazi is nonsense.
the bengazi handling and lies and denial from hillary is the scandal. CNN doesn't point out hillary lied about bengazi.
the charity scandals is her donating millions to bill's friend's business. (which failed).
so yeah, no other scandals. what no mention of her stealing of office supplies, or are you to embarrassed to bring up that insignificant bullshit?
she's a top diplomat and I've said repeatedly I don't watch cnn, but keep jumping to conclusions....
top diplomats fly around the world ending wars, they don't handle security details at embassies genius.
so she took money from foreigners for her charity. it wasn't for her campaign, it wasn't for her personal use. it's not a scandal. if someone donates to my charity, I don't owe them anything, it's just a charity. the people who benefit from the good will the check charity brings owe them and Hillary something, Hillary owed them nothing but a tax deductible receipt. unless you can find evidence of her funneling that money into her bank or her campaign, you just a broken record.
I don't know how many times you can repeat Benghazi and we can repeat that it is not a scandal for Hilary. she was not responsible for security at some random embassy. someone from the state department f***ed up. it certainly wasn't Hilary. why do you think it is somehow her fault?
there is no other hilary scandals? get charity for one. bengazi!!! CNN doesn't report bengazi? wow. Exactly my point. they don't report that, but focus on how trump shakes someone's hand
Ive heard biased stuff out of NPR. They try to force conclusions.
cause watching NPR which was agreed by people here on both sides to just report facts and quotes is too difficult...
do you just have a desire to be fed propaganda from either side instead of actual info?
cnn didn't report on the email scandal? cause there is no other Hillary scandal.
if you name a person on CNN who can't be accused of being bias, I'll watch him or her
my problem with CNN is they focus on the small stuff- small anti rebublican stuff. literally they were saying Trump shook Pence's hand wrong so their partnership would be wrong, yet CNN barely touches the numerous hillary scandals.
I personally loved watching a CNN anchorman saying he did not condemn a rhetoric that was aimed at harming police officers.
lmao on the Russia today comment.
I have no doubt that Russia today is far more screwed up, but the comparison is striking.
idk cnn programs and I haven't watched bret bair, but I've seen you or others on this app link to a website with a similar name and it is utter biased nonsense. I guess now I know why and where it came from.
honestly i trust russia today more than fox news.
does CNN have a show like Special Report with Bret Bair that doesn't have any bias/opinion?
Its interpretation with conservative bias. That's obvious. They discuss issues from the right. However, the issues are usually accurate.
just cause something is bad doesn't make a very specific alternative better.
fox is horrible, and may be the lowest in mainstream media. obviously there are worse fringe and online sources. over focusing a handshake is not worse than misrepresenting and oversimplifying opponents issues.
I have just listened to CNN criticize the way Trump shook Mike Pence's hand, and say how Trump didn't want Mike Pence, which has no basis in fact. Whereas, Fox has not said a biased thing so far as I am listing. CNN is poison in disguise. They criticize every little thing such as how he shakes someones hand. Whereas, they do not do the same with Hillary. THEY ARE BIASED!