The debate "Compared to other countries America is the greatest most prosperous nation that exists to this day" was started by
July 8, 2018, 4:03 pm.
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historybuff posted 2 arguments, DRJ posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.
tasha and 10 visitors agree.
historybuff, DRJ, johnrdoe, Nemiroff, Ateet, abdulbasit, owy_myke and 11 visitors disagree.
I think United Kingdom is better.
in each case Americans either directly benefitted or they were doing it to screw over a rival. that isn't selfless or heroic.
The communists had popular support. America fought to prop up a corrupt dictatorship and prevent the popular will of the people. In order to do that America murdered millions of people. where exactly is the selflessness in that.
I will grant that the Korean war was less terrible. but they fought to contain their rivals, China and the USSR. They were doing it to maintain their position in a global power struggle. it wasn't exactly selfless.
again, iraq was a regional antagist of American foreign policy. they had been allies of the Soviets and enemies of other American allies like Israel. Kuwait was an ally of the US which happened to have alot of oil. so the US fought to keep oil out of the hands of their enemies and keep it in the hands of their friends. they directly benefitted from intervening.
Examples of America using men and resources for other nations without self- benefit:
Vietnam war: fought to prevent the oppression of communism from spreading throughout Vietnam resulting in 58,220 American casualties.
Korean war: fought to prevent communism in Korea (imagine the state of North Korea but engulfing the entire peninsula) resulting in around 54,246 American casualties.
Operation desert shield: fought to defend Kuwait from being invaded by Iraq (I can't get a clear casualty count).
All of these wars wars were fought mainly by the United States to prevent oppression of the nation's people with no benefit at all.
I said gun violence, that article is specifically only talking about mass shootings divided by population trying to minimize the number of mass shootings America has. it isnt really relevant.
when exactly has America ever laid down lives when it didn't gain anything? in WW 1 America was directly attacked and Germany tried to get Mexico to invade the US before they helped. In WW 2 Japan had to directly attack the US before they would intervene. I don't know where you got this idea that America is this noble hero. it isn't true.
go and ask the black people being randomly attacked by police if they feel like racism was "removed". or the black people who have the cops called on them for innocuous things. just in last last week or 2 it includes children selling lemonade, a child mowing the lawn, a black politician canvassing for votes and mother being asked for ID at a pool. I guarantee you that most people who aren't white will not agree with that assertion.
I don't disagree that America is prosperous and has done some great things. but saying they are the greatest and most prosperous is, as I said, highly subjective and debatable.
Actually, according to Investors Business Daily, the USA ranks 11 in gun violence with Norway ranking top. (https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/sorry-despite-gun-control-advocates-claims-u-s-isnt-the-worst-country-for-mass-shootings/)
Also, if what you mean by "America's habit of being a ****** to other countries" as when our country laid down the lives of brave men for the freedom of other countries with no benefit to our own, then I think there should be a discussion on your moral values.
Poverty has also been decreasing while job opportunity and availability has been rising. I'm not sure what you mean by discrimination of minorities; sure, racism was high decades ago but that was all removed and now minorities are considerably equal compared to before.
It is true that our country does fall short in categories such as education, but look at all the innovation, technology, and overall progress that had resulted from America.
America is consistently ranked lower than many other countries based on many metrics.
Greatness is highly subjective. but I would argue that any country with your level of gun violence should be ranked reasonably low on the list. add to that America's habit of being a ****** to other countries and I think great is pretty much out of the question.
and most prosperous again is subjective, but your level of poverty of discrimination of minorities would again argue against that.