The debate "Considering current political climates is it worth trying to debate with people anymore" was started by
October 29, 2018, 8:03 pm.
24 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 6 people are on the disagree side.
It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.
Nemiroff posted 2 arguments to the agreers part.
Nemiroff, Runtz, kh2g12p, crispsandchips and 20 visitors agree.
tenyiyi and 5 visitors disagree.
Stopping communication is the absolute worse thing you can do.
the thing is that both sides are usually right. government is corrupt and needs to be reigned in. but it can also do alot of good if properly utilized. government is huge, decentralized, and multi leveled. some parts scream "stop me" while others need expanding. generalized statements need nuance, and shattering someone's view required many many levels of arguments. you wont wholly convert someone because you defeated one line of reasoning, but every line of reasoning. until then, it's just a snail's pace to a middle ground, not necessarily the mainstream center, but perhaps a mixed bag of various points on various positions.
I get what your saying, but I think you may be expecting too much out of average Joe's on an online debate chat. also peoples views shouldnt be that easy to change.
many people come with the assumption that they are 100% right, expecting the other to be instantly converted, and having no expectation to change themselves. this often goes for both sides. in my experience, almost nobody changes mid debate, but tends to disappear in frustration while mulling over a few good arguments over the next months. the reason is it takes time to reconcile deeply held beliefs with new points.
and even then, nobody comes back a full convert, but with their original positions slightly changed, more nuanced, and with a bit more understanding of why opponents believe what they do. or perhaps even a deeper understanding of their own position with new arguments they came up with. self improvement is also a great goal.
I never said debating was a problem, it just seems like debating someone doesn't really have an affect on others anymore. They stay in their echo chambers dismissing anything other than their beliefs. Why try to argue with the walls?
what do you think is the alternative?
isnt the problem that most people, particularly those who are politically minded, are stuck in self reinforcing echo chambers while the bipartisan debate communities, like this one, are mostly empty?
in that view, isnt more debate the solution rather than the problem?
People in modern times are stubborn with their beliefs. You can dowse them in large amounts of evidence and facts backing up your point and going against their's yet their mind will, a majority of the time, remain unchanged. This is an almost undeniable behavior demonstrated by modern people. considering this, is debate worth trying anymore.