The debate "Counter terrorism arrests happen almost daily in Europe. Why are people pushing to accept Islam" was started by
May 1, 2017, 2:28 am.
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yasanjeewa posted 1 argument, Nemiroff posted 4 arguments to the disagreers part.
ototoxic, SirIntegra and 4 visitors agree.
MrLuke, yasanjeewa, Nemiroff, thereal, jgwin10 and 4 visitors disagree.
welcome back Dalton, although I know you've been lurking :)
sorry for the confrontational responses but the alt right is the most violent group in America. they are a bunch of conspiracy nuts who think a race war over America's culture and soul is coming, and if they are right then maybe the violence is justified... but their wrong. there is no race war. it's all in their heads and in their media.
if there's any culture war, America and yhast he west has long won it around the world without a single shot thanks to the power of capitalism and commercialism. that is America's religion, not christianity.
and the alt didn't warm up to black people, theyr just temporarily distracted. women are femtards. lbgts are crazy sinners. what group don't the alt hate?
if dems are playing division politics, then why are they uniting everyone while the right divides them into groups and hates on all of them regularly?
enough examples of alt right extremism? if this was a destabilized region with less law and order alt right would totally load up a jeep with fully armed rednecks and be America's Isis. they think they are fighting a justified holy war for their culture as well.
And not just against Muslims.
the alt right (right wing people who believe America is losing a culture war) have attacked not only Muslims but also Sikhs (ok, honest mistake, although violence and hate of any kind are reprehensible), Jews, Indians, Hispanic people, and anyone of any kind of brown. (mostly lumping them into Mexican or Muslim regardless of accuracy)
and don't say it's about illegal immigration, all of the alt know that there are many legal Mexicans here as well, I don't think the bigots who harass them first ask for their status, they just start yelling.
so you just not want to accept a group of people based on their religion?
how is that not bigotry?
and don't say it's not their religion, it's their violence because all you mentioned was Muslim as the only criteria.
there are millions of Muslims in the US but I can count the number of attacks on 1 hand. how about the extremist "patriot" who killed 2 people for getting in the way of him shouting obscenities at a little girl over her religion?
there are extremists in every group, and the most violent group in the US are the alt right at the moment.
If the left would stop pushing the narrative that if you do not accept Muslims, you are being bigoted and hateful. Maybe those actions wouldn't be perceived as "helping the enemy" Doesn't that sound logical? If you do not want a influx of refugees or people from terror prone nations, that is a completely logical decision that is not rooted in hate as extremist level themselves within that population.
Let me get this straight , you compare terrorism to Muslims! . People please realise that not every or many Muslims are terrorists. Islamic terrorist follow their own interpretation regarding Islam. It is known as "WAHABISM". Those who say that all Muslims are terrorists are either unaware or ignorant. True Muslims do not interpret they simply follow. BTW I am a Buddhist so don't think that I am being bias.
the flip side would be that the marginalizing is because of the attacks, not the other way around. that makes it the old chicken and egg problem, how do you determine which caused the other?
rather than assigning blame we should take a look at the details. how many Muslims resort to violence vs the # of peaceful ones. also the rate of violence of other groups including the majority group. we should also examine the purpose of the violence and what the extremists want to accomplish so that we don't risk playing into their hand.
Because attacking and marginalizing a population is not a good way to reduce radicalization and extremism. Accepting that most Muslims are good, peaceful people helps prevent them from feeling like you are the enemy. Refusing to accept Muslims in society will just further the narrative that the West is the enemy of all Muslims.
I didn't hear about daily arrests.
are they arresting members of the same cell in a prolonged operation, or are they really chasing numerous independent targets which would be more in line with a systematic problem.
thats the background questions, but the rest of my argument will depend on how you see the issue.
do you believe that violence is inherent to Islam in general? the numbers don't agree with you. internationally, Muslims are the main targets and the main people fighting these terrorists. and even regionally, the number of peaceful Muslims just living their lives is vast compared to the violent. do you choose to ignore all the violence committed by non Muslims?
do you believe that extremists are sneaking terrorists amongst the otherwise innocent Muslim population? very possible, but if you think about what their intentions are, they want us to send these people back to them. you can't have a state without people, and all of their people are running. in the long term, will we be safer rejecting these people or embarrassing them considering the narrative of and and potential benefit to the terrorist groups?