Crime is crime. no child. no woman. no old. we should punish accordingly

July 20, 2016, 12:06 pm

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The debate "Crime is crime. no child. no woman. no old. we should punish accordingly" was started by Blue_ray on July 20, 2016, 12:06 pm. 31 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 8 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

dalton7532 posted 10 arguments, Deonthecreation posted 1 argument to the agreers part.
Alex posted 12 arguments to the disagreers part.

Blue_ray, dalton7532, prashant, SwaggerPoptart, J, Deonthecreation, Zuhayr and 24 visitors agree.
Alex, tranlyvu, JakobBoghora, charlieholmes and 4 visitors disagree.

Nemiroff
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sorry you lost your interest, but no quote means you got nothing. if you can't provide the quote than you lost the debate. you may believe people who just say "believe me, I'm great" but I'm dont.

3 years ago

watched your videos... you didn't link anything from gulliani so I think you posted the wrong link. and then you linked 2 of the same video of trump praising himself, which is nothing new. 0 substance.

you also asked me to name Chris Christie trump hiring his incompetent friends, and then refused to comment.

and I totally missed the post where you dismissed the middle class contractors that Trump refused to pay as incompetent, and there were many of them, then how can you support a person who consistently hires incompetent people?

3 years ago
dalton7532
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Ok. Ill respond to the founding father thing later. It has just lost my interest. I read through my history book and found what I was looking for, I am just trying to find a direct quote.

3 years ago

We should punish accordingly. It does not say you you have to be a certain age to commit a crime and get punished for it

3 years ago
Nemiroff
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I flaked on your links, sorry. if I don't respond to them by noon tomorrow please remind me again.

3 years ago

He has done many good deeds, even just recently. I guess you will not respond to the links I sent you. That shows alot because that is what I was talking about, not him saving an old lady.

3 years ago
dalton7532
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Those contractors did a shitty job and no one is denying that.

3 years ago

also trump did 1 good deed 30 years ago, since then he bullied multiple middle class people in order to make his already rich a** even richer at their expense and left numerous contractors without pay.

3 years ago
Nemiroff
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ask the guy who killed John Lennon.

@dalton. where are the quotes from the original federalist about wanting a strong but small government?

3 years ago
dalton7532
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Haha, how many days until you respond?

3 years ago

ok. so it's not #1. refer to the links Dalton posted. Trump helps people out and gives away his money to worthy causes.
so it's number #2. Trump wants fame in your opinion and the spotlight.
what makes Trump more famous A) making america great again or B) being a bad president, driving america into even deeper decline?

3 years, 1 month ago
Nemiroff
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@alex there are 2 things I think Trump wants and I don't know which is more important to him.

1. the typical capitalist agenda of more money no matter how much you already have. money as an end not a means, which imo is the biggest flaw resulting from the capitalist system.

2. keeping the spotlight on himself. fame at all costs. this could be brand building for the purpose of #1 or just for his ego.

@dalton
the name of the politician is Chris christie, the governor of new jersey.

I'll comment on the rest of your post later after I look through the links.

3 years, 1 month ago
dalton7532
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eric trump foundation*, not family

3 years, 1 month ago
dalton7532
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Nemiroff, Trumps friends said he has a long history of these actions and does this recently. A lady was bragging about how Trump's family helped her with the Eric Trump family and how they always have her over for dinner. Rudy, the mayor of NYC, said that when New York needed it Trump helped out with the money and told him not to tell anyone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28j1LTjI_BM
Trump has been consistent for the last 30 years. Everybody says he is the same person and still does the same things. Refer to this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJprbO1mbUs and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJprbO1mbUs

You worry about consistency? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joiIASyCLeI

Can you actually tell me the name of the politician? I have no idea who you are talking about Nemiroff therefore I will not comment.

3 years, 1 month ago

what does trump want? tell me what you think trump wants.

3 years, 1 month ago

"Any other politician would do the same? No other politician deleted 30,000 emails, lied about them, lied about sniper fire, lied about what she supports, or lied about. Or atleast one I respect."

trumps chief of staff deleted emails from his private server related to very important public duties and possibly a coverup. whether he lied about it is still being investigated, but his defense is being billed to the people of Jersey and the bill is staggering. fiscally responsible huh?

he was also criticized by Trump for incompetence in staff picking, then got picked to pick Trump's presidential staff.... does that make any sense to anyone?

Trump changed what he supports in a manner of hours, your constant bringing that up of Hillary while ignoring it in trump is very telling.

3 years, 1 month ago

that old lady on the farm thing was nice, 30 years is a long time and people can change, maybe trump was actually a nice person back then before he got obsessed with himself. 30 years is long enough for a newborn to become a full fledged independent adult, and plenty of time for an adult to change.

it also does not cancel out the eminent domain. scary, you would not expect these 2 actions from the same person. which trump will we get? can we count in him to stay stable for all 4 years? he's too unpridectable at best, and not in a good for negotiations kinda way, more like a manic depressive joker.

3 years, 1 month ago

he absolutely stepped on her.
he offered her money to move, a nice amount. she said no, so he stepped on her.

it took the courts to pry his foot off her throat, but his stepping on her was completely outside the law.

3 years, 1 month ago

he went to his politician friends and had her house condemned. she didn't want to sell her house. he had politicians try to take it from her. THAT IS STEPPING ON HER!!!

if a democratic politician had done that you would be ripping them a new one. but because it's trump it's no big deal. you are such freaking hypocrites.

3 years, 1 month ago
dalton7532
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For the last time! HE DID NOT TRY TO STEP ON HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3 years, 1 month ago

Trump has personally touched and changed people's lives for the better. there are very few people, that have met trump and know him personally who call him a racist and monster.

His track record shows it. his kids show it. his friends tell us. you won't acept it.

you have absolutely no evidence to support that trump will purposely trash the us.
you treat working hard for wealth like a bad thing, because he doesn't agree in your socialist philosophy.

3 years, 1 month ago

so helps one widow 30 years ago and tried to step on one 10 years ago. that doesn't make him a saint.

3 years, 1 month ago
dalton7532
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rofl and it totally contradicts your argument that he steps on old ladies that are widows.

3 years, 1 month ago
dalton7532
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You should have watched the damn convention! I can link 5 freaking hours of it, but do you really want to watch all of it? No, or else you would have watched it anyway. You make it seem like he was an evil monster and evil monsters don't offer millions of dollars and free housing for life in a 5 star f**king hotel! Quit it with the petty bs. You can watch the convention and listen to what people said about Donald Trump and what he has done for them. You can do your own freaking research to show you are open minded and if you don't, you are just as close minded as I thought you were. I will provide you one. (Most of them were under the table personal stories and did not catch media attention, and that is why I want you to watch the last day of the convention and hear other people's personal stories.)

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/a-66-year-old-widows-farm-faced-foreclosure-then-trump-saved-the-day/


Any other politician would do the same? No other politician deleted 30,000 emails, lied about them, lied about sniper fire, lied about what she supports, or lied about. Or atleast one I respect.

3 years, 1 month ago

I'm lying without facts yet you provide no links.... whose the bs liar here?

I've told you before, make a separate thread about Hillary and bring 1 issue at a time and I'll knock them all out, but don't start bringing hillaries shortcomings as a defense to trumps. I have addressed Hillary's issues numerous times without invoking trump, and none of her REAL offenses are anything worse than ANY other politician.

quit with the bs, bring some ACTUAL facts with sources regarding trump cause I bring direct f***ing quotes about this selfish monster cause that's what he actually is.

3 years, 1 month ago

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK HOW MUCH HE OFFERED HER. IT'S HER PROPERTY AND SHE CAN SAY NO.

NOT TAKING NO FOR AN ANSWER IS NOT HOW BUSINESS MEN WORK, THAT'S HOW GANGSTERS WORK.

3 years, 1 month ago
dalton7532
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Her didn't step on a old lady. Offering millions of dollars and free housing for life is not stepping on people. Quit it with your BS. What people have he screwed over. The NYC mayor, Dana white, and the paypal found say he was the most trustworthy and caring person. He was always their in time of need. When NYC needed it, Trump was there.

Quit lying when you have no facts back it up. He even took papers of those in need out off the news paper and invited them to his house and helped him. They said he went out of his way to help a critically ill child who looked up to him. I am tired of the lying bs you bring up. Everything you say has no basis in fact.

She made a mistake for 4 years straight. She was careless for 4 years! She was associated with "careless" as Secretary. Then, when she went under investigation, she deleted 30,000 emails. Not suspicious or malicious? Then, she lied about every single things about it, confirmed by the FBI director. She has a constant documented history of it. I can go on and explain the Bosnia visit, her constant lies about what she has supported to HER VOTERS, and it goes on and on! It is so ironic how you support Hillary!

Everybody says the opposite of you about Donald, and everybody says the same about Hillary. She yells, she is violent, and she treats people like shit. That is Hillary! Shit, Trump even payed,with his own money, for his friends mistakes for another company and made the guy repay it by vaccuming! You either are extremely stupid or extremely closed minded and arrogant. Pick.

3 years, 1 month ago

except trump himself said he didn't raise his children. and he didn't rebuilt nyc, NYC was never destroyed to need rebuilding. he built it's most famous hotel, not it's most famous buildings. world Trade Center old and new, Empire state building, Chrysler building, wall street, rockafeller center, Lincoln center, Carnegie hall, exactly what prominent landmarks did he build in nyc? none.

dalton makes as good a case for Trump as is humanly possible, I do enjoy knocking them down, however alex, you just sound like your quoting infowars or something. read a real book.

btw, the state department has been hacked repeatedly and some diplomatic contacts may have reason to avoid official channels, probably why her Republican predecessor used private email too. she didn't jeapordize anything. the Internet is it secure, private or public.

3 years, 1 month ago

what trump does and did
raise great children. His family is top notch
built great buildings and businesses
rebuilt NYC basically
made billions out of 1 million
won a GOP nomination

what hillary has done
jeopardized national security
made the middle east the worst ever in history
lied about both ^ multiple times
married bill (one of her most careless actions) her family is not role model.

good things she has done
does owning a charity that takes money from US enimies and gives it to for profit friends of bill.

3 years, 1 month ago

I have no idea why you say these things.

trump says he loves everyone. he has spent his life screwing people over.

in what way is Hilary more self centred than trump? he has spent decades screwing over people to make himself richer. he has proven he will step on little old ladies to make a buck. he is the epitome of greedy, corporate ******.

3 years, 1 month ago
Nemiroff
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the only thing you go by is what he says, not what he does. that's the definition of gullible.

Hillary already had access to our deepest secrets when bill was in office. she may make mistakes, but she has never done anything with malicious intent to harm the people or the National interest. isn't it funny how the only 2 nations cheering trump are Russia and china? seems counter intuitive doesn't it?

3 years, 1 month ago

Trump loves everyone. he says that a lot.

if you think about it, hillary is more likely to sell secrets to other countries then trump, and is more selfish then trump.

3 years, 1 month ago
Nemiroff
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not gullible?

I wouldn't generalize that much, many liberals are as gullible as trump supporters. just like many of the more intelligent Republicans are denouncing Trump's stageshow.

"I love the poorly educated" -Trump during the primary

3 years, 1 month ago

so this is what liberals are like right?

3 years, 1 month ago
Nemiroff
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what did he have to gain from screwing the old lady? his investors? every partner he has had?

I don't know if he has some scheme or not, I just know that if he sees an opportunity to profit he will take it.... like let's say selling national secrets to China and russia as an off the top of my head example.

why would he sell state secrets to foreign threats? for money! his prime motivation. him being rich didn't stop him from not taking no from a private citizen over their own private property.

but I know, he said he'll make America great, and that's all you need to believe him. good luck.

3 years, 1 month ago

what does trump have to gain from screwing the US?
he had things to gain from screwing other people, and will gain things from making america great and not getting screwed by china, Mexico, Russia, iran and all other countries.

3 years, 1 month ago

I think the only prominenr person in America worse than trump is that piece of shit skreli who raised the price of an already existing life saving drug (no R&D excuse) 300x.

he didn't break the law either, does that qualify him to represent our dumbest citizens?

3 years, 1 month ago
Nemiroff
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just cause someone offers you money doesn't mean you lose the right to say no. it doesn't change the fact he ignored her no. and no he did not go through courts, she took him to court AFTER her house was already condemned without her even knowing of the proceedings against her taken outside of the court of law.

"I think it actually prices trump will work hard (but follow law) to get what he wants. He wants to make america great again."

he says he wants to make America great, he says a lot of things to regulators, investors, and partners, then screws them consistently. can't help it if you choose to be a gullible tool who ignores history and reason.

lying is bad, however lying to protect ones career, and lying so that you can more easily step on weaker, more vulnerable people are very different things. Hillary may not be the most ideal candidate, few politicans are, but I would rather elect a literal pile of shit than trump.

3 years, 1 month ago

trump didn't break the law, he actually followed the system in every way- initial attempt to buy the house, corts, followed courts dicision.

but that's bad. I think it actually prices trump will work hard (but follow law) to get what he wants. He wants to make america great again.
while what hilary did - broke rules, and lied, isn't bad and disqualify her for pres. what good quality did hillary show?

3 years, 1 month ago

He tried to give her hundreds of thousands of dollars for her house. where the hell did you learn morality? cause that's not stealing.

3 years, 1 month ago

it's hopeless, trump said it himself, he can kill a man on the street and it wouldn't sway his supporters.

3 years, 1 month ago
Nemiroff
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the ones who broke the law were the legislators who did his bidding. private disputes are not handled by the legislator with defendants not present and completely ignorant of the proceedings.

Trump didn't go through the courts, she was completely ignorant of the precedings against her, and that is not the way our legal system is supposed to function.

he didn't break the law, but he's still a greedy, selfish, uncaring piece of human filth. very presidential qualities -.-

3 years, 1 month ago

it isn't about whether or not it was illegal. it's about whether or not it was immoral. he tried to steal her house from her. how can you not see that as a bad thing to do?

the fact that he failed in no way diminishes the shittiness of what he tried to do.

3 years, 1 month ago

He intended to break the law? you can't prove that.
if someone shoots me I can prove attempted murder.

3 years, 1 month ago

he tried to take it against her will. she had to go to court to protect herself from him. that is harm. just because he didn't succeed doesn't make it alright.

if someone tries to shoot you but misses are you just going to say no harm done in trying?

3 years, 1 month ago
Nemiroff
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he absolutely had every right to make an offer, and she had every right to refuse. he also had the right to challenge her on legal grounds in court. he hadb absolutely no right to grease up politicians to get her house condemned.

3 years, 1 month ago

rich person your talking about tries to buy land for way more then it's worth. unless he did it successfully against the owners will, there is no harm in trying

3 years, 1 month ago

crime is crime. no rich, no poor, you try to screw someone else's belongings without going through proper due process, you belong in the oval office.

3 years, 1 month ago

it's funny how if a poor person tries to take your property, Republicans get up in arms. if a wealthy person bribes his way into condemning your property, an option that is absolutely not open to non multimillionaires, he's just doing what's good for him and is perfectly justified.... you f***ing hipocrites.

both are bad, but one is struggling while the other is much better off then his victims and still trying to screw them. we should make him president.

3 years, 1 month ago

a kid grabbing something from the store not knowing it's bad is different then let's say- someone putting national security at risk.
the kid stealing something (nobody cares) is a crime, while putting national security at risk (a bad thing) isn't.

3 years, 1 month ago

the American revolutionaries were all traitors to the British crown. if you don't look at any of the circumstances then all the histories will have to be rewritten about the evil British traitor George Washington.

3 years, 1 month ago

that is stupid on the face of it. circumstances matter.

if a child steals a loaf of bread because he's starving that is very different than an adult stealing someone's wallet.

both are theft. but a child has diminished capacity and is just trying to survive. the adult has full awareness of what they are doing and is just robbing people.

3 years, 1 month ago
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