The debate "Did Jesus die for us" was started by
December 11, 2016, 7:07 pm.
21 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 13 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.
KiwiSheepTrainer, tanya, allyssa, arpita00, harshita, Rajat, UnderdogMike, human and 13 visitors agree.
adriana, WolfiesMom, ChancellorCalahan, ProfDoke, makson and 8 visitors disagree.
again, no. they told people a story. those people told other people the story. at some point someone wrote it down. but no one can say how much of it was actually what the apostles said and how much of it came was messed up in the retelling.
and on top of this, the Bible was heavily edited later. so it wouldn't matter if the apostles had written it, because ecumenical councils changed it after the fact.
they wrote original content that then followers made into a book. like I said they follow and when I can get the link I'll show u that he believes with evidence behind him that these events happened. but it might take awhile.
yeah sure it will take a while though.(got invited data but after a point it dramatically slows. actually surprised I'm able to do this)
I think the suffering plays a big part but the death was the main act per say.
this is more about the Trinity. He always knew. He is God.(best explanation I can give though will be raw) think of God as 1 stream now, for a while as u go down its one (down being time) after going a while it splits and there is now two streams.(Jesus) after this they keep going together and the main stream splits again.(holy spirit) . it is the main stream that the others come out of but they have their own name but can be put under the name of the main one. it wasn't nesasarly the death itself it's what died with him that we look at. he literally took all of our sins on his shoulders. our fear, our hatred, our jealousy all of it and he killed it when he died.
I've already discussed this on this app. the apostles did not write the Bible. that is completely untrue. the earliest books of the Bible were written about 40 years after the death of Christ. it was written by men who had never met Jesus. many of them had never met anyone who had met Jesus.
the Bible was written on at best, 2nd hand accounts if events. but usually even more removed than that. it was of course edited again after that by men more than a century after the death of Christ.
and as I said earlier, believing what you are saying doesn't make it true. just because the men who wrote the Bible believed the stories they heard doesn't make them in any way accurate.
can you link to these "atheist" police officers?
also, being beaten and tortured is horrible but the real "ultimate sacrifice" was the death right?
I'm wondering if anyone can point out exactly when jesus found out about his relationship to god? if you knew you were going to heaven with 100% certainty, is death even that big of a deal? even with some torture prior, you got guaranteed eternal bliss coming your way. many people (mostly in cults) have given their lives because they were promised heaven. others live on because suicide is a sin, but may gladly end it if damnation was not the consequence. I never saw his death as much of a sacrifice. the torture was far worse, but no one calls that "ultimate" in any context.
well considering I wasn't always one then yes. why do u need a diff. way? would u believe in a diff. one? I doubt it because this is about faith not absolutes. though i could be wrong
but the Bible was written by many of the apostles and they saw him directly. and as I said an atheist police officer examined the Bible like testimonies and decided they were telling the truth. there won't be a body. much like how u said about evolution.
So god (who can do anything)had no other solution to "save" us other than sending his son down in human form to be stabbed and tortured to death only to resurrect in 3 days? Im pretty if you werent a Christian or if that story was associated with a different religion, you wouldnt view that story as a hero or love story or even true. I could be wrong.
and I feel I must point this out again, there is no evidence any of that actually happened. it makes for a good story. but there is no evidence it actually occurred.
he sacrifices his life, his dignity, and much more. put urself in his shoes. u are being whipped and beaten several days and get a crown of thorns bashed agaisnt ur head, people shouting pure hatred at u, probably getting stones thrown at u, forced after the beating to walk to a hill outside of town carrying a cross while again people shouting hatred at u, nailed to the cross that u carried where if u rest ur legs u drown in ur blood and when u try to breath it's in small pinches and even more people shouting. and then u die and get staved in the side. during all this and after u say u love these people and u r paying for ur sins. ur right he did just give up a weekend.(last sentence is sarcasm)
Well according to the story he died 3 days for us. So he sacrificed a weekend.
I'd be interested in reading about that. but honestly it wouldn't surprise me in the least. the reason for that is because no one who met Jesus wrote the Bible. the men who wrote about it were hearing about events 2nd or 3rd hand.
just because you believe what you are saying is the truth, does not make it true. there are alot of people who 100% believe rediculous conspiracy theories. it doesn't make the things they write the truth.
actually police investigators who try to catch people in a lie have put there techniques to the Bible and have found that at the very least the people who made the Bible thought they were telling the truth.
the only thing you have to go on is a book written decades after his death and repeatedly edited later. anyone who says they definitely know what Jesus did or said is delusional. no one can say anything about Jesus for certain. we can't even definitively prove he was an actual person.
definitely. no matter if ur religious or not this question is based on Jesus's intent which was to die for u