Did Russia really hack the 2016 elections

December 30, 2016, 10:32 pm

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The debate "Did Russia really hack the 2016 elections" was started by Blue_ray on December 30, 2016, 10:32 pm. 18 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 11 people are on the disagree side. People are starting to choose their side. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

PoliticsAsUsual posted 4 arguments, PsychDave posted 4 arguments, Blue_ray posted 1 argument, historybuff posted 3 arguments to the agreers part.


Blue_ray, PoliticsAsUsual, PsychDave, harshita, Rajat, historybuff, deezmofonutz, shuhel_2005, WolfiesMom and 9 visitors agree.
roasting4days, LeftoverEye70 and 9 visitors disagree.

I was more optimistic before some of his administrative picks.

2 years, 3 months ago
RogueAmerican
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As do I.

2 years, 3 months ago
PsychDave
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Fair enough. As long as you are willing to admit his shortcomings as well as praise his abilities, we are likely to agree to some extent at least. I hope he exceeds my expectations and truly does help make America better. I worry because his language and actions seem to indicate he plans to take it in a direction I will not agree with.

2 years, 3 months ago
RogueAmerican
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I believe tax exemptions for particular companies is wrong. In my opinion, they should be ubiquitous. The only opposition I have to trade deals are our own taxes raising product pricing and thus decreasing our ability to compete. Im not in bed with Trump; im optimistic yet hesitant. The only way I will be satisfied in questioning is when he is in office.

2 years, 3 months ago
PsychDave
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So do you support Trump when he talk about ripping up NAFTA and gives tax handouts to companies?

2 years, 3 months ago
RogueAmerican
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I support free trade and lower regulations. Few people are protectionists.

2 years, 3 months ago
PsychDave
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So you have a problem with stipulations in contracts spelling out consequences for outsourcing jobs? You'd rather lose millions in tax revenues? Nevermind the fact that Trump ALSO threatened heavy tariffs on goods made in Mexico, so he was doing his own threatening, and doing so ignoring existing trade agreements. So rather than set up consequences that they would agree to when they got those contracts, you support breaking international treaties and giving away tax dollars? What can I say, that seems a poor choice.

2 years, 3 months ago
RogueAmerican
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The Outsourcing Prevention Act which is Bernie's solution. Government contracts are to be revoked if, in the context of Carrier and UTEC, 50 jobs are out sourced. What can i say, Im stubborn.

2 years, 3 months ago

lol so even though you are 100? completely wrong in what you said, you just double down in your lie and hope no one notices. you really are taking pages right out of Trump's play book.

2 years, 3 months ago
RogueAmerican
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He loves the ideas of bullying with government contracts though.

2 years, 3 months ago

you may be the most brain washed dumbass ever. Bernie Sanders was strongly against the carrier deal. I understand why you love trump so much. he loves spreading lies too.

2 years, 3 months ago
RogueAmerican
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You mistake Constitutional Conservatives gravely. To find our opinions, you should consult the former portion of the name. Guess who was up in arms at the carrier deal. Certainly not Bernie and his socialist crowd.

2 years, 3 months ago

so even though the legislature ignores the will of the people, the president should ignore his legal authority to use his executive powers?

but when trump starts making these decrees you will probably be the first to say how he's making America great by doing so.

2 years, 3 months ago
RogueAmerican
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Executive action may circumvent legislature. Believe it or not, actions are not bound by name. It is painfully obvious that our founding intentions were to remove as much policy from the executive branch as possible. That is why power was placed into a legislature making it the most powerful branch of the government. The president and executive as a whole have no business being the arbiters of law (again, naming is superficial). The point of our system is to be slow in its development.

2 years, 3 months ago
PoliticsAsUsual
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are his actions full fledged laws, or limited action that lacks the scope and permanence of legislative action.

you know the difference between these actions and law making. stop playing dumb. there are many checks and balances and the president is using his.

2 years, 3 months ago
RogueAmerican
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So it is the president's role to be chief legislature?

2 years, 3 months ago
PoliticsAsUsual
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I'm not sure what that has anything to do with this topic or previous posts but your just buying into propaganda.

even if it was an over reach of power, which imo it wasn't, both the background checks and immigration reform were actions supported by a majority of the people for a long time. it was Congress that did not do its job and should be held accountable. you lot (the right) make it sound as if he used his power to give himself a 3rd term consolidate power instead of carrying out the will of the people despite a do nothing Congress that only works to deny science, demonize education and enrich itself.

2 years, 3 months ago
RogueAmerican
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We both make assumptions. I for one am irritated at the trend of pushing aside congress in favor of executive power.

2 years, 3 months ago

For everyone over here, Vladimir Putin has officially admitted of russian hacking on the 2016 elections.

2 years, 3 months ago
PsychDave
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The number of people who believe the explanation is absolutely irrelevant to whether it is true. How many people believe the world is flat or that man has never set foot on the moon?

I don't doubt that the intelligence agencies hide the truth and lie, but you have to decide whether you believe the evidence they present or not. If not, you need to find some logic to base your beliefs on since otherwise you are simply assuming with no evidence.

2 years, 3 months ago
neveralone
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true. but then again that same agency lies daily. for our protection mostly but sometimes not. like with the JFK thing. I was watching discovery channel a while back and they did a JFK documentary about the shooting. only one in ten people believe the official story today.

2 years, 3 months ago

you can either trust in our intelligence agencies, or formulate a conspiracy theory.

I like the system we have with seperations and checks. I'm sure the government does underhanded espionage and secret military maneuvers, but I believe it has more credibility then the Kremlin.

2 years, 3 months ago

could of. they have the potential and Putin isn't known to be cautious.

2 years, 3 months ago
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