Divine predestination and free will can coexist

December 23, 2017, 3:47 pm

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The debate "Divine predestination and free will can coexist" was started by MCFission on December 23, 2017, 3:47 pm. 5 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 6 people are on the disagree side. People are starting to choose their side. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

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MCFission and 4 visitors agree.
Kulu, Masonearl, Brynn and 3 visitors disagree.

it's an interesting subject but for Me free Will does not exist no more than a fish out of water has it's out of arrogance and overbearing belief that one constructs what he believes to be free will. Freewheel would mean to be immortal until that can be overcome free will will always be mortal.

2 years, 7 months ago

I'm sorry, but that analogy doesn't make sense. no one in LOTR ever made a choice. their whole existence was written on a page for them. Tolkien may have made choices for them that he thought they would have chosen, but they certainly didn't choose for themselves.

2 years, 7 months ago

allow me to provide an analogy. jrr tolkien decided everything that happened in the Lord of the rings. but that doesn't mean his characters were in any way forced to do what they did. they do it because that's the kind of character they are. tolkien made the characters the way they are to construct a good story without forcing anyone to do something they wouldn't do naturally. thus Tolkien predestined them but they also made free choices .

2 years, 7 months ago

how? if the outcome is predetermined we cannot change it. if we can change it then it wasn't predetermined.

2 years, 7 months ago
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