The debate "Do u think god created gay people" was started by
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That might be enough to see the common perception.
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God does not exist so no he did not create gay people. However if he did exist yes homosexuality would absolutely be created by him. He is the creator of the universe therefore he created EVERYTHING inside it.
Thank you, I didn't know that :). However, I'm not claiming anything. This is just his point, as presumed by me. I've learned that this is how many certain theists view sexuality. Many don't care about scientific fact, just what they think their Bible means to tell them.
the spacing on the graph didn't work out very well, the terms are supposed be under the !'s. So that the first ! is straight, the last being homosexual and the others corresponding in order.
The concept of heterosexuality being the default position is not supported by science. Anthropologists look at sexuality and even gender as a continuum.
straight x bisexual homosexual
Most anthropologists would place one on this scale based on one's attraction to the opposite or same sex. Now, if one is placed at X, one may be slightly aroused by the same sex, but would be unlikely to actually engage in sexual activity with the same sex. This concept is confirmed by various studies, including a study done by the University of Essex (http://www.essex.ac.uk/news/event.aspx?e_id=8843). Researchers showed erotic videos of women and men to 345 women, and studied their responses to the clips. 100% of the women studied were at least slightly aroused by same sex erotica. This, of course, by no means is to suggest that they would engage in homosexual acts, but it is at least a support of continuum model.
I believe he means to say that heterosexuality is default and all other sexual orientations are paths deliberately taken. I think that this is what he means:
Ex: Heterosexuality is a pure white, perfectly flat sheet of paper. When choosing to be any other sexual orientation, one taints that sheet of paper, maybe by coloring it or folding it or crumpling it -- the point is that it isn't a pure white perfectly flat sheet of paper. I guess tainting that piece of paper is sinning because God (supposedly) made that sheet of paper perfect and it is meant to be taken seriously.
Ex (this one is better than the first example, I think): Heterosexuality is a perfectly straight line. When choosing to be any ither sedual orientation, one taints that line. This could be by twisting it, tying it, bending it into a curve or two (or more!), a zig-zag -- the point is that it isn't perfectly straight like it ought to be.
If this is true, then your argument is invalid, given that one would never choose to be heterosexual, but choose to deviate from the norm/right, which means basically choosing any other sexual orientation (does Ace count? I've never though about it).
I don't think he'a claiming that homosexuality is a choice. This comment seems to simply be one addressing the overall topic at hand.
As other's in this and various other threads have pointed out, please tell us exactly when you chose to be straight (if sexuality is a choice, then you must have chosen to be straight). Furthermore, please conduct a simple self-experiment to try and validate your claim; you need to be able to choose to be attracted to the same sex. If you can't choose to be attracted to the same sex, then how can you possibly claim that others are able to do so.
God created man. Gave him free will. Some chose to be gay. Either God didn't see that coming (which I presume is unlikely) or God would've been okay with it. Otherwise being all powerful I don't see any reason God could just have made homosexuality not exist. This is only valid if God exists though. If he doesn't.... Next question please
The question assumes we are arguing from a theist POV. A non-believer would argue "IF God exists, then x leads to y and so forth." This is how I would argue with a theist. This way, we can actually answer their question about their own faith without having to go into yet ANOTHER God debate. The existence of God is certainly something to be debated but this is not a God debate.
Even from the perspective of a theist, the creation story could not in any way be factual. a metaphor? maybe. but not in any way factual. (I'm an Atheist)
God doesn't exist /:
Is it? When did you decide to be straight?
I like you. But this is according to scripture.
God created people and intended for man to be with woman as evident by God creating eve for adam.
something that doesn't exist can't create
so he made them gay but he doesn't want them to be gay. to me that either means he made a mistake, but then he isn't God, or he hates them and made them so that they would sin and go to hell. either way that isn't a god I would worship.
Yeah he made em and he loves em but he didn't mean for anybody to be gay.
there is no evidence it is a choice. as far we know it is not something you can decide. provide evidence for your opinion or it will be dismissed as an opinion.
gay is not born but it's a choice of life
According to scripture, he is the creator of everything and gay people exist, therefore God created gay people.
also, if he exists, he did create gay people, because he chose not to take that trait off of them.
Actually, you were under that impression when you kept repeating that the holy spirit causes empathy and our conscience to work.
ok you seem to be under the impression that if you can do something, then you must do it.
I actually don't think he made gay people, because he didn't make any of us, but in a religious sense, he did.
He did make gay people (if he made people at all), because he is omnipotent and should have the power to remove the homosexuality so that they don't go against his word. He did not.
god created men and woman. he made adam and eve to be tgt. this is how god made us to be,being gay is going against his plan. god plans what is best for us and his plan was for it to be male and female however humans went against it and created gays.
God is an imaginary figure. If the Bible proves that God exists, then comic books prove that Superman is real
gods not real so no he didnt
well yes god created men but men have a brain to decide what they want to do
Lane, I give you credit in you choice to befriend those sinners that most Christians choose only to hate, but I disagree with your premises.
First, God personally created everything in creation. from then on the only thing he commonly and personally involves Himself with is the creation of new life. New life is not born pure. we have the stain of original sin on us from the point of conception (thus the Catholic Church's doctrine on baby baptisms). we are all created in the image of God. that does not mean we are made to contradict His teaching, and homosexuality is against His teaching.
That being said, it is not always, but not false to say that some people are born with homosexual inclinations. we are not perfect, sin stains and affects everything. as well as sin, there is also mans chemical addiction to think about. we pump ourselves full of chemicals and then wonder why cancer and mebtal disorders are out of control? come on people, food is a weapon of the enemy as well as a necessity of life, look at what is in everything...but I digress. so no, it is not always a persons fault. that being said, it is a choice what you do with those feelings. God doea condemn homosexuality, but not homosexual feelings. one we control the other we don't. it is not what we feel but what we do. thus, does God make everyone? yes. Doea He make them gay? no, that falls to sins curse and the human condition.
now a side note I want to address, God does say to take homosexuals WHO ARE IN THE COMMUNITY(that being of the nation and people of Israel and one who professess to follow the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob) outside the city gates and stone them. notice He does not say, take everyone you find to be homosexual outside and stone them. The jews were under the law of God, not all the heathen nations around them. as for Jesus, yes, He does love everyone, even practicing homosexuals. but like the woman at the well, He says to them, go and sin no more. love and truth together. this is the gospel
@sloanstar While you are correct in saying that the bible calls for Christians to kill homosexuals, it must be put into historical context. Christianity no longer supports killing of people because they're gay. Even though God told Christians to kill homosexuals, it is against the typical persons moral values to kill people; it is also against the ten commandments to kill anyone, which I admit is kind of a strange contradiction... There is also a difference between the Old and New Testaments. The Old Testament is mostly used for history and for noting the times when God personally interacted with his people. The New Testament is a record of the teachings of Jesus, and that is where most of the values of Christianity come from. That is the more up-to-date doctrine, and in the New Testament we are not told to kill homosexuals. In fact, Jesus was the guy that took those people under his wing. He was inclusive of all the people who were excluded from the Jewish temples. From a Christian view, killing gays is wrong, and we are called to do just the opposite, that is to take care and befriend these people who are cast out by so many.
None of this argument will affect how an atheist thinks, but that is how I defend Christians from the fact that the Christian God commanded that homosexuals be killed in the Old Testament.
Well the people that believe In god and thinks that he made homosexuals have to also somehow defend the fact that at least the Christian god tells us to kill homosexuals in the old testament.
God didn't create gays, just like god didn't create anything else, nor did he exist.
i absolutely agree with zeno. a human has a brain or mind. god creates us a men. but if we think there is a gay. it is absolutely wrong just there is 2 gender here. a men and women. if there is people think is there a guy what gender are they? what for each a men do relationship with a men more than friendship? think twice guys. because of human brain. it can can make all decision by his brainself and do what he think was good
God did create gay people, that's why they exist(from a religious standpoint). Have to remember that there is science behind it. Zeno, a person(in most cases) does not choose to be gay. They are just born with that kind of hormone balance or whatever else goes into it, which is what God gave them. So God did in fact create gay people.
@Neaa my answer to your question would be that whatever society sees as not normal is abnormal... The vast majority of people are straight, therefore that is normal, making everything else abnormal in the eyes of society. My proof for this comes from the DSM, which is the official handbook for psychiatrists in diagnosing mental illness. The book, rewritten every few years, is an up-to-date list of disorders covered by insurance. Sadomasochism is the disorder that characterizes the desire for painful intercourse. But think about it... that is only a "disorder" because society believes it's disgusting and horrible and abnormal. This means that, in reality, apart from societal views, that is not a disorder. Same with homosexuality. Imagine a world where most people are gay, suddenly, as a straight person, you are the minority, the abnormal one.
yes he created us but he doesn't create them to BE gay. he gives us freedom to make our own decisions because if not, he would force us to accept him and what kind of a God would that be?
y don't y'all think he created gay people. people said that god created everything and everybody. people also said that god knows wat everybody's go to be so actually God did create gay's. And God loves everybody that he created and I got a question y do people have a problem with gay's?????