Do you believe Israel is at fault for the conflict with Palestinians

March 15, 2016, 5:14 pm

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The debate "Do you believe Israel is at fault for the conflict with Palestinians" was started by PoliticsAsUsual on March 15, 2016, 5:14 pm. By the way, PoliticsAsUsual is disagreeing with this statement. 11 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 15 people are on the disagree side. People are starting to choose their side. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

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RyanWakefield, nawl, sereinyy and 8 visitors agree.
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3 years ago
PoliticsAsUsual
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and that was wrong.

3 years, 8 months ago
Kimjongun
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but what about america?it kicked out the red americans?

3 years, 8 months ago
Kimjongun
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absolutely

3 years, 8 months ago

if any people move in to a region and then kick the inhabitants out, they are wrong. no matter who gave them permission. (except the actual inhabitants)

however the Jewish settlers migrated there completely peacefully and showed no hostility to the native Palestinians. the Palestinians were the ones who began violence probably due to conservative, right wing, bias against outsiders.

3 years, 8 months ago

I believe I've brought this up a few times but the land was promised to the French, the Jews, and the Palestinians by the English, and none of these were properly addressed.

If we want to cover who was where first, then it would be no different from arguments regarding the native Americans, the Islamic and Christian crusades, and so on. The land was disputed, war happened, and the Victor's decide what the boundaries are, and the boundaries are more than mere lines.

Any of these people have a right to fight for what was promised, and if we condemn them for this we condemn them for action out of feeling cheated. If peace isn't the goal, then we do not place "fault" on any of these people.

Does the US benefit from one side winning over the other? Yes, we have put plenty of money into Israel because of the returns they provide. Agricultural, medical, it is more than people believing in a holy land or God given right, the US doesn't do something unless research or money can be gained. When Israel can provide neither, we will likely leave.

If Palestine wins we will likely back them as well. France doesn't seen to be trying nearly as hard becuase they know what they want isn't there. I place my blame on the British, because they could have ended this before, but instead continued it through their actions.

3 years, 8 months ago
PoliticsAsUsual
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I disagree that Israel is getting special treatment for its crimes.

as you said, it's not done in a vacuum, but in response to attacks. another country doing those actions under identical circumstances would not be tried, many countries during the course of this conflict have committed many more serious crimes, including several genocides in Africa and I think kosovo.

therefore I disagree that Israel is being subject to special treatment, but instead is subject to extreme expectations that would not be expected of any other country.

3 years, 8 months ago

they are certainly partially to blame. they have committed horrible crimes that if committed by anyone would else likely have resulted in a war crimes tribunal. but they do not act in a vacuum. they are responding to the terrible crimes committed against them. trying to decide who is more to blame is a waste of time.

3 years, 8 months ago
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