The debate "Do you think third wave feminism is productive.Why or why not" was started by
January 7, 2019, 3:52 pm.
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That might be enough to see the common perception.
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why is feminism a cancer Mr. snowflake?
Feminism is cancer.
if I may push back, certainly individual cases businesses pay whatever they please, but if we take a large enough sample size it should equal out. like a coin flip can be heads 4 times in a row, but do it 1000 times and it will become 50/50. if the wage problem is real, it isnt a problem with capitalism, but with our society.
also, what is wrong with the proposed solutions to this issue?
I'm going to disagree simply because the third wave feminist movement are tackling issues through wide spread awareness of intangible controversies.
Women get paid less - that is an issue with capitalism, a non sentient entity and not concrete gender equality. In Capitalism business owners (within bare minimum legal boundaries) are allowed to pay anyone whatever they please and it is the individuals choice to conform to those terms.
Marching won't produce anything if it is not on legislative agendas so in that sense the third wave feminist approach is not producing results.
I'd give more examples but I'm out of time here.
sorry for the propaganda comment, I certainly agree with it, but its probably gonna get us off topic.
however, I dont see a single relevant point in that article. it says many real and serious concerns for men across the us, like their need to be manly and get suicidal at failure has nothing with feminism, and is caused by the same thing feminists and gender nonconformists are fighting against.
Instead of drowning ourselves in feminazi memes, we should be fighting against our own concerns with outdated gender roles, like family court equality and the machismo mandate. unfortunately that doesnt seem to be even be an option for the right wing.
excellent article for showing bad propaganda.... can you quote a point in that article that means anything because this line in the article shows how laughable some the points are:
"Women are also much more likely to talk about mental health issues, while men rarely come forward and are therefore less likely to get treated"
really? is that the fault of feminists? that's ridiculous. men have always had higher suicide rates due to the requirements of being manly and the sole providers. supporting woman in taking down these gender norms will HELP men. I wish mens groups would fight for positive mens issues like family court equity instead of being just another hate group fighting AGAINST the concerns of others.
also logical arguments about "why would or wouldnt they" are secondary to objective facts and actual numbers. I agree that the wage gap is questionable, but their solutions are very reasonable and fair. do you know what their proposed solutions are?
all the issues I mentioned are from 3rd wave so mentioning the other waves is irrelevant. before we discuss the details of the issue I raised, I'm still waiting for an example of their politics of being offended seeing as none of those issues are about being offended....
I'm not disputing feminism, as I wholeheartedly agree with first and second wave feminism where women were made to have the same LEGAL rights as men. And, now that they have that, third wave feminism is useless. The wage gap is NOT true. I don't wanna sound like an echo chamber, but the arguments of the Equal Pay Act and "why wouldn't companies hire mostly women because it's cheaper" are always good arguments.
As for social standards, all one should do, I think, is simply not follow them, rather than scream about them.
I can totally see how parts of the 3rd gender movement is about what offends people, but not feminism...
feminist complain about unequal pay for equal work or lack of representation in halls of power, public or private. they complain about the excessive expectation for beauty (high heels, full makeup, uncomfortable clothes) and unrealistic expectations for their personality (trump and Bernie yelled throughout the campaign, but with hillary, her yelling was the headline... also her clothes)
none of this is about being offended... and these are their main issues. so what exactly are feminists being offended by?
can you provide an example of this?
One of the main goals of third wave feminism is censorship via political correctness, which is 100% based on what offends people. And, that thought process is a slippery slope.
An ideal as itself cannot be productive. however the actions that may pursue of the idea of EQUALITY, are definitely good, but modern day feminism has taken on a radical spin where it's more of opression of forces than equality, which is NOT productive
what do you mean "all about what offends people"? it seems more about cultural double standards to me.
Third wave feminism is all about what offends people. People need to toughen up and deal with it. Words can only hurt you if you let them.