The debate "Do you think transracialism can abolish racism Yes-Agree No-Disagree. Prove your claim" was started by
November 9, 2015, 7:16 am.
12 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 23 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most people are against to this statement.
bigB posted 1 argument, PsychDave posted 4 arguments, regalspace posted 1 argument, AngryBlogger posted 1 argument, JakobBoghora posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.
liberalssuck and 11 visitors agree.
bigB, PsychDave, regalspace, benhawthorne, DannyknowsItAll, MrShine, AngryBlogger, jjrocks1738, Fettywap100, JakobBoghora and 13 visitors disagree.
How did tranny abolish sexism? It didnt. Feminists still want women to have special rights.
I believe the goal here is to change that mindset of sticking to your roots and opposing others'.
this shouldn't be a debate because you will never completely get rid of racism but only take steps to lower the rate of racism. It's like terrorist attacks and such cause you can't prevent them all and there will always be attacks but you take measures to try to eliminate those from happening with better security defenses and such. going back to racism tho and what can be done, there will always be that one person who is racist but you will never know. It's like there will always be bad people and some bad people seem perfectly fine until one day.......
I think the large majority of people will pick/protect their own race, over another race. No matter what race they are. Your race is part of who you are, and you will certainly lean towards what you believe is protects you or is your best interests.
Judging by your racial background is only a result of the current norm, such that 'race' is being used as a separator between people. The more fluid it is, the more likely these separators will be seen as less important. When we raise queries about the third gender, we necessarily redefine gender, as something not affixed to the binaries. Likewise, transracialism has the propensity to redefine what we would determine as a race. The mindset we have today is only a result of our predetermined definition of a race. In a time-place scenario, hopefully in the near future, when we are able to look beyond races, that race-judging argument will become invalid.
Yes there are a number of interracial marriages. But even the sheer plethora of such still results in a looming racial judgement. Meaning, that racial judgement you were talking about is still inherent, people can still discriminate even in such marriages. Furthermore, it requires two individuals to meticulously examine all scenario, unlike transracialism, which can be grabbed by just one person. Hence, transracialism is faster in terms of accessibility and acceptability (because only you have to consent to it). Even if both proposals have a tendency to stop racism, transracialism is more effective. But what's more effective would be a combination of both, interracial marriages as a result of transracialism, is not mutually exclusive to your side.
We don't have to force interracial marriage as it is already socially acceptable in most places and is happening. As years go on there will continue to be more and more mixture, leading to less and less defined distinction between races.
Transracial people are less likely to have a strong impact on racism because, while you are certainly right that we don't ask about someone's race when meeting them, we do judge their racial background by their appearance. This will let people essentially choose which stereotypes they want to be associated with, but is unlikely to remove the stereotypes themselves.
Well we can't really force interracial marriages, but it does have some merit. Transracialism is at the expense of the people so I can't guaantee its success too, but I think there will be more people who will subscribe to such. But on the other hand, I don't think transracial people will be isolated because in the first place, no one asks you for your race before they start a conversation right? Only that when we learn its useless to refer to someone's race do we somehow decrease racism.
I can see that, and I do think it could have the potential to help decrease racism, but it could also provide an easy target for prejudice and racism (I'm not sure what other term would be appropriate) against transracial people. As an even smaller minority than any race, they would have less support and protection.
I think it is more likely that racism will eventually be solved by interracial marriage. As racial lines blur, it becomes harder to differentiate us vs them.
I am not entirely sure that is why I'm still neutral, only that I don't I want the affirmative side to be left without defending the supposed claim. -_- And eventually I will fight for the affirmative without accepting it as I am still open to the opposition's logic.
I don't think I have the burden of proving that transracialism wil undoubtly eliminate racism. The only clamour of the affirmative is that transracialism has the possibility of eliminating racism by blurring the line between every race. Say for example there is a fixed beauty on women's aesthetics. Men nowadays can change their own appearance to look like a girl. Likewise, there are women who are able to become a man by changing their genitals and using steroids to change their hormone level. Eventually, if you look at them you wouldn't even think he is a woman originally (I use 'he' because he identifies himself as a man despite being born with female genitals). We see that in this basic level, we come to understand that our original skin/gender doesn't matter. People can change their own skin anyway, people can opt to choose the situation they think would best suit their needs and desires. When people has this mindset, we begin to understand that true beauty is never fixed on a perfect skin. By making something everyone wanted, to be fluid, we tend to notice the more sincere part of being a human. When you learn your neighbor has this *race, it won't matter anymore when transracialism has become a norm. It makes us think that anyone is capable of being anything, from changing their looks to the ones they like to just being yourself since you think it best suits you. Allowing people to have their own freedom blurs the strong walls we have created by our fixed skin. A scenario like that is highly probable when you notice that right now, transgenders may be commented on, but day by day we learn to accept them because for one, they are left to their decision on which gender they can be happy at most.
For that to prove true though you would have to show that transracial people can be accepted by society. Transsexual people are more common, and they are shunned and even attacked by many people, including some among the LGBT community. Transracialiam could have the potential to help solve racism, but only if transracial people do not face the same kind of prejudice as minority groups do now.
@regalspace. I do agree with your logic. But my question is, how do you necessarily operationalize it? How can we instill into everyone or make everyone accept each other? Because this is the goal we are trying to pursue. We don't just stop at the individual level because this is a societal issue.
Human nature has a tendency to have a spectrum of Narcissistic impressions. We tend to compare everything to ourselves. For people to understand their surrounding, they relate it with themself. By doing so, they do understand complex phenomenon but this is the start of comparing, of expecting, and eventually of discrimination. We tend to always compare ourselves and I do think no one will admit that he have not, in the slightest, tried to not compare himself with another. And you'll see that this itself leades to on the ground expectations. We tend to think we might be superior or otherwise, leading into an impression of inequality. "Remember that when dealing with another person, you are not dealing with creatures of logic, you are dealing with people bristling with emotions and prejudices."- a quote I have heard somewhere.
Even if you tell everyone to look upon themselves, how far are we actually capable of doing so? How far are we willing to trust our flawed human system? And I tell you, if everyone was able to perfectly control themself, then we wouldn't have needed a government in the first place, per the idea of the social contract.
Transracialism necessarily accepts this flaw in human nature and tries to penetrate the problem. Though I admit it's not perfect, there is a high possibility in the future that when we think everyone is capable of looking like anyone, our skins and appearance will not matter anymore.
Why should anyone need to change their identity to be accepted? Even if we all have the same skin color, some will discriminate on nationality, accent, eye color, family name, social status. there are many more races than the one we genetically inherit. overcoming racism is about looking inside ourselves, not looking at the outside of others.
One of my thought when I was creating this discussion was that: Transracialism is a way to challenge the most fixed and predominant stigma: race.
Transracialism basically includes people changing their own appearance or their race by name. Juxtaposing this to the idea of a transgender, if we allow something so controlled such as the binary man and woman to be fluid, we necessarily blur the line between them. Some people right now don't accept transgenders. But this is only the mindset of a people who are still chained by conservative or orthodox ideas.
When transgender becomes a norm in the future as progressive ideas get more accepted (because oftentimes than not, they follow the logic of human rights and give justice to the minority), it makes people question if there should always be a dominant gender. Likewise, if transracialism blurs the line between races, we destroy the idea that we are supposed to be bound by our own inborn skin.
I have yet to see any evidence of anything that can put an end to racism. People have always banded together into groups and applied an us vs them mentality. Race is a clearly visible way to sort people into these groups. I am not saying that is a good thing, but someone would need to show proof that it could be different for me to consider changing my vote.
no I don't agree, people will always find something to be against someone's skin color. I think it's prevalent today. Skin color often times is associated with one's culture. I think it will never change because it's used as a scapegoat for people