The debate "Donald Trump only cares about white straight men" was started by
November 11, 2015, 10:20 pm.
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That might be enough to see the common perception.
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PsychDave posted 11 arguments, omactivate posted 3 arguments to the agreers part.
Alex posted 6 arguments, bigB posted 7 arguments to the disagreers part.
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No, that was the straw man you decided to set up. I was directly responding to your points. Planned Parenthood fights for women's reproductive rights. Hillary Clinton agrees with that. Planned Parenthood has actually directly responded to the claims you are making associating them with eugenics. They acknowledge that while Sanger disagreed with many points eugenicists made, she did agree with some but they do not. They released a pamphlet specifically addressing these points since antiabortion groups found it easier to attack Sanger than to actually criticize Planned Parenthood.
In a debate, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim. You can make claims and not back them up, but it is lazy debating and usually means that there is no proof.
Fight for reproductive rights? Were you not associating women's suffrage with the right to an abortion and so forth?
I have researched it, it is not prerogative to look it up for you. I've already looked into it. So I have to copy and paste in order for you to approve?
You do not seem to have understood that Planned Parenthood is what I meant when I said women's rights. They fight to protect women's reproductive rights, which is why I described them that way.
Planned Parenthood does not support eugenics. Perhaps you should use your smartphone to do some research.
you make an argument and refuse to defend it. or provide any evidence at all. if you won't research you'd point we will ignore it. you can't throw out wild accusations and then just say "I'm not going to any reading, you disprove my unfounded accusation." the onus is on you to prove your point.
The Trump connection, is not a connection.
Yes I can support my claims, you have a smart phone you can look into it. And no that's not being lazy, I'm not your keeper, if you want to find truth you have to look for it. Clinton has expressed Sanger as a hero of Planned Parenthood. I was not implying womens rights, that is a different argument
Wow. Can you find any evidence to support any of your claims?
You argue that Hilary Clinton supports programs started many years ago, so she is in favor of eugenics. By that logic Trump is a landowner so he supports slavery, right? You are ascribing beliefs that are in no way reflected by today's society based on the fact that someone who has been dead for almost 50 years believed it. It is possible to agree on one point but not others.
Sanger fought for women's rights. That is why she is a hero to many people. That doesn't mean they agree with every opinion she expressed. Lincoln owned slaves and Disney made racist movies. Both also did wonderful things in their lives.
She started Planned Parenthood and is a "hero" in the eyes of Hillary Clinton. Sanger wanted the implementation of birth control to curb the "negro" populace and have a "cleaner" race. Hillary and many liberals support this social program. However, since a Clinton supports this notion it is, in your eyes, acceptable. You attack Trump because he referred to many illegal immigrants as criminals. He didn't say to kill them, but you take it that way. Hillary supports Planned Parenthood and in all factually the killing of undesirables
Are you actually justifying Trump's racism by comparing him to to someone who died in 1966? If so, does that mean you are admitting that his biases and prejudices are that outdated?
That is like saying murdering one person isn't that bad since there are serial killers out there. Others being worse doesn't make it any better.
Again y'all are funny people, you probably don't know who she is or who looks up to her and find her as a hero. Now this information is our there, just a matter of wanting to truly find the information and not looking at it in a biased way *cough*cough*
Look up Margaret Sanger, look up what she actually believes in. Her ideas are ten times more racist than anything Trump has said
lol, y'all are funny people
Have you ever sped while driving (if you are old enough to drive)? Have you ever jaywalked? These are both illegal yet people do them everyday.
Illegal immigrants are largely people who want a better life for themselves and their families but are unable to get through the red tape that people like Trump like to create. Some are fleeing starvation, some poverty, some corruption and some from war. All of them are trying to find a better life. Since they are illegal immigrants they are not qualified to receive things like welfare, so they are actually less of a drain on society than lazy Americans.
How about instead of fighting to deport all of these hard working people who could contribute to the American work force Trump gives each group that helps them immigrate legally a small loan of a million dollars and them they will be able to come legally, pay taxes, and the problem will be solved.
They came to America to get better lives. All they wanted was to have a good life. We can't just deport them
note illegals means illegal.
to do something illegal means you break the law. law breakers are called criminals.every single illegal immigrant is a criminal according to the law.
Trump only wants to follow the law. if the law let people come over then these people would not be called illegals.
why do you want to let people that break the law go free?
then why does he want to deport all of the immigrants who came here illegally. They aren't criminals. They are people who came here to live out better lives
"many americans are stupid" that does not mean everyone.
when trump says some immigrants are criminals he does not mean everyone.
Ok. Then you're stupid because you're American and you just said that the statement "Americans are stupid" is true
No I would not, because it is true. SOME Mexicans do bring drugs, and crime.
if someone in another country said to me "Americans are stupid" I would not take that much offense because many americans are stupid.
And he might have been rude to a man he disliked, but he would have been rude about what he had done, not his gender. That is the difference between being insulting to an individual and being racist or sexist. When he insults men he insults them. When he insults women or immigrants he generalizes based on gender and race.
You are right, Trump is rude to many people. But making racist remarks makes you racist and making sexist remarks makes you sexist even if you are rude about other things as well.
"When Mexico sends its people they are not sending their best.... They're sending people who have a lot of problems and they are bringing those problems to us. They are bringing drugs. They are bringing crime. They are rapists. "
That is a direct quote. If he was talking about your ethnicity, would you consider that racist?
Do some Mexicans bring drugs? are some criminals? did trump ever say everyone from Mexico is a criminal?
trump cam be rude, like when he said the woman had blood coming out her eyes. He would have been equally rude to a man he disliked.
Trump is rude to people he dislikes. he dislikes 99% of people. being rude is not racist or sexist. neither is getting a divorce.
I'm not saying he hasn't been unpleasant and insulting to everyone who disagrees with him, but he has made more racist and sexist comments about those who are not white men than other groups. When he attacks other white men it tends to be in response to a perceived slight, though even then it tends to be irrational and childish.
He said Mexicans trying to enter the US were drug dealers and rapists who brought crime with them. That is not true and is racist.
He attacked a debate moderator saying that there was "blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her whatever." That is sexist.
He has said that he opposes gay marriage because it is not traditional, but has recently been criticized because divorce is not either. He is a hypocrite.
He attacks people based on them not agreeing with him and not being the kind of person he likes, not what they have done.
He has said that according to the law ILLEGAL immigrants are ILLEGAL. Trump is not in favor of breaking the law.
also he attacks men and woman the same amount. he attacks people based on what they have said and done.
he stands against gay marraige because he thinks it is not right. he does not organize gay marraige to be stopped, or deny people the right to marry.
He has attacked immigrants, women, made racist remarks, and stands against gay marriage. That really narrows down the demographic that he represents.
What makes you say that. he might, but he has not said he does.