The debate "Donald Trump turns everything he can into a lie that benefits him" was started by
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No, the problem is the stupid. Lazy people can accomplish great things as they find easier, more efficient ways to do things. Stupid people cannot accomplish anything worthwhile. The two groups are not mutually exclusive, but there are lots of hard working idiots and there are lazy geniuses.
I want training to hard working people unemployed or not. do not abolish welfare, just keep it small and give it to the hard working, not the lazy. one of the biggest problems in the us is lazy people.
the unemployed won't be helped by raising the minimum wage. They need help and training
A human being should not be kept away from the promise of a decent life, any necessities needed to live it
yes, they should. that is why we need to train them to work hard at better jobs. and give 0 welfare money to the lazy unemployed who sit around voting for obama.
people who aren't jack asses. human beings should be able to live as long as they work hard. that is the spirit that built America. not that you should treat the poor like garbage.
every human being has the right to be able to sustain themself, no matter what the job
but should we increase all wages then? like the skilled jobs who are going to make the same as minimum wage for doing something harder?
No, we want people who are working hard to be able to live. We want wages to keep up with inflation. Families used to be able to live on a single income, how many are able to do that now? People used to run locally owned stores. Now big box stores like Walmart have driven most of them out of business. If those people went to work at Walmart, do you honestly believe they could live on their wages? If not, we have replaced local, decent paying jobs with national or international jobs resulting in underemployment.
so you want me(and everyone) to support these people?
so you want people to be able to work 60 hours a week and not be able to feed their children?
if someone today gets enough money to make a living doing a skilled job, and minimum wage increases and people make the same money as him doing a easy job. that is not right, and he may want to get a easy fun job that pays the same as his skilled boring job.
you don't seem to understand. there aren't enough better paying jobs for everyone. not everyone can get a better job. whether through lack of jobs or lack of ability to preform a better job it doesn't really matter. everyone deserves to be able to have enough money to survive. if a company wants to treat employees like crap then they don't deserve to exist.
well what does the minimum wage guy do? not much skill stuff, nothing to deserve much money. now a ceo actually does stuff. as I've said before a minimum wage job is not ment for a father in a family of 4, it is ment for a teen or collage student.
we're talking about making sure companies pay their employees enough to live on. if their margins are so low that they can't afford that then their business model is poor. the truth is the majority of companies that have lots of minimum wage employees can afford it, they would just rather pay their ceo an extra 80 million in bonuses.
mo there needs to be economic growth in the us, the country needs to have more money, now let's say the us had a surplus, then we could talk. the us has no money to spend. you can't take from businesses(wall street) to give to select businesses to tell them what to spend it on(step to socialization of industry)
the minimum wage doesn't even keep up to inflation. the real earnings of the lower class have been decreasing for years. if you want people to be able to buy things, which in turn drives the economy, or be able to afford food there needs to be a significant increase in the minimum wage.
Minimum wage can not be increased to 15$ like they are proposing...it goes aganced the basic laws of economics...It will spark a large economic downfall...you can not just ignore that large of a veritable...
of minimum wage is raised people will get fired and be in deep poverty. the amount of money given out of the employer will be the same. your solution take money from wall street and give it to companies.
the goverment giving money to business and controlling what business gets money to hire people. way too much control. this will lead to total socialization of industry.
Alex, do you actually have any idea what the job market is like, or are you just spouting what you've heard on Fox? What you are suggesting is that if someone is unable to get a job in their field, they should go on welfare rather than work full time and be underemployed. There are people who are highly educated who cannot get a job in their field because there are a limited number of positions. If someone is working full time, they deserve to be paid enough to live on. Whether that job is retail, fast food, or any other area, the minimum wage has not kept up with inflation, meaning people slip further and further into poverty.
as I have said a minimum wage job is ment for a teenager or collage kid, so they get valuable job experience, and can learn about saving money. if a grown man's career is a burger flipper at a fast food chain then that's his problem.
no one is talking about handing out money. we're talking about paying people enough money to live on. why should paying a full time worker an amount that leaves them in poverty be legal? you're guaranteeing poverty will exist. that's kids starving, people dying without the ability to afford medical care.
also if we hand out money people won't want to try to create a business and no more jobs will be created.
nope these people can't get a higher job because they are unskilled. teaching people skills will help them get jobs. there are actually a lot of jobs that require skill, but few skilled people.
there are not an unlimited amount of good jobs. there is a finite amount of them. some people are trapped in lower paying jobs not because they are lazy or uneducated, but because they simply can't find a better job. these people deserve to be able to live. minimum wage needs to be a livable wage.
doest teaching people how to get a good job seem a lot easier?
You can not just simply "take" from the stock market...If you do that the economy will crash because so many people will want to sell before the tax or "take" will be in place...prices of stocks will go down...businesses will lose money...company take overs will occur because the stocks will be so low...and it will just be a domino effect...
Wall streets money...ok...tell me...how will takeing money from investers( many of them are common People who hope to retire)do any good...then they will reliy on SS and a 401k that they may or may not have...SS is becoming less and less accessible...and is starting to pay out less to cut coroners...and IF they have a 401k they will have to pay into it ALOT for it to even substitute the two..
up to 20% of their lifetime income (Which hardly no body does.)
try to take trillions of dollors from wall street see how that works.
no, with wall street's money
with my money
They wouldn't be fired because Bernie would support buisnesses
a typical McDonald's worker does really do much to deserve more then 7 dollors. the truth is most of them would rather do 7 dollors an hour full time then 0 dollors after they have been fired because of a increase in minimum wage.
a 12 year old could flip a burgers every 30 seconds.
Bernie is not an extremist. A burger flipper doesn't deserve to get 7 dollars an hour, they deserve more. They work hard. They have to flip burgers constantly and make sure they're flipped at the right time
I apologize; ment an "extreme leftist". Liberals aren't bad, they have some good ideas about what to do. It's the extremism of both sides that's bad. We as Americans need to go back to post WWll when the left and right could work together for the betterment of the United States
Alex is right, a burger flipper is not a career. Since minimum wage increase those full time employees became part time employees because they found out they would be put in a different bracket and have to pay taxes. That's not something these welfare people want, having to pay back to society. Wall Street doesn't need to be broken up, that's a stupid idea from an Occupy Wall Street leftist
a hard working American in poverty should NOT get a goverment handout every month. They should instead, if they are truly hard working, trained to get a better job, or given a better job. this way we have another hard working American working, and they support themselves, everyone wins.
a hard working mam. for minimum wage: what will happen if it is raised? less jobs. minimum wage is a low rate in witch to employ high schools or first time job. this gives them nessary job experience and teaches money saving skills. if the wage is raised, employers will not keep the same amount of jobs, they will cut a few people. A hard working American should be trained to get a higher job.
As for income inequality I don't want a lazy unskilled person making as much money as me. I'd I work hard I want to be rewarded. why raise income tax? to pay for people to go to college who won't learn anything and is lazy? or to pay for a American who doest work because they know Obama will give them free money from my pocket.
No, we both understand that: a hard-working American should not be in poverty and minimum wage should be raised, wall street needs to be broken up and pay for their corruption, climate change is real and a huge effect on our world, income inequality is huge and income tax must be raised
ok, but he will still hot everyone. you thought he would only hit the rich, may want to change your vote, because clearly you and sanders disagree.
income tax will hit the middle class less
Sanders--- "Yes it will hit everybody" unless everybody doesn't include the middle class we have a little problem.
no, he simply did not
He has said he wants an increase in all income tax on everyone.
he wants to raise taxes on the rich so that income is equal and raise the minimum wage so that hard working people get enough money not less
advice: don't vote for sanders.
he wants to raise the tax on everyone, including the middle class.
we republicans let people keep THEIR money because it's THEIR money.
the republicans are the ones who have been in power for the majority of past year's and that has made our country's fortunate 1% wealthier than everyone else. Free college will be played for by rich people on wall street who have caused enough problems for the government and are in debt to the government
that free collage will become a lie after he is if he is elected because it's an impossible promise
also he says he wants free collage. How the is he going to pay for this. Did he forget we have debt?
rebublicans balance the budget on the backs of the elderly, the poor, and the sick.----sanders
do we do this? no
How has Bernie Sanders lied
They all do it at a top level, Trump just hides it less, and expresses these politician lies in a different bolder way.
They don't do it as much
as much as I dislike trump, he has a point. most politicians do that.
ummm....... every politician does that