The debate "Every good man should endeavor to teach at least one man how to pray." was started by
February 7, 2017, 4:16 pm.
30 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 40 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most people are against to this statement.
Najam1 posted 32 arguments to the agreers part.
PsychDave posted 69 arguments, Najam1 posted 51 arguments, TheExistentialist posted 2 arguments, historybuff posted 2 arguments, Nemiroff posted 10 arguments, Your_dad posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.
thereal, Brayden24, Sherrie, LSpalding, navi_0000, CoreyO, UnderdogMike, human, Frank and 21 visitors agree.
PsychDave, leeannsmith94, ScepticalPeasent, TheExistentialist, smv2005, Liberator, Jona, Your_dad, spuddi43, Nemiroff, hjlr71, danielle, Adrian, braymus17 and 26 visitors disagree.
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How you define people isn't particularly relevant since you have no authority whatsoever.
If you refuse to define traitors as Muslim, what do you define yourself as? You advocate people sin and defy God's commands, so you can't define yourself as Muslim.
That is a lot of information. Almost none of it is true of course.
I never define traitors as Muslims.
Look back to Moses and the story about Pharoahs soldiers chasing him and the good people of prayer. The Muslims are part of a link in that very chain of righteous people, and are never under the command of ungodly men who refuse to acknowledge Allah! Any fool can lie about their actual allegiance while alive on the Earth.
and America doesn't spend 90% of its budget on military and police. so no, you're wrong. again.
there are countless Muslims serving in militaries of non Muslim countries all over the world.
so no, you're wrong. again.
Muslims never are under the military command of any nonmuslim.
Dare you say the Muslim will kill when ordered to by anyone who doesn't believe in Allah alone, even if the one is an 11 star general.
If people didn't use physical violence Americans wouldn't have 90% of its budget dedicated to military, police, and guards. There's a bunch of lifetime sadists in USA. Someone has to beat and guard all the prisoners in public and private black sites. The handcuff fetish displayed by police is only a small indicator of a much larger cultural problem on the Earth.
Not being a barbarian, words. Most people manage not to need to use physical violence to resolve problems.
Entire Human race including All muslims.
How many men?
60 destroyers ,19 aircraft carriers, 70 submarines , 13,000 planes , 600 nukes,
Bring the Navy then. What type of weapons do you barbarians fight with off the internet?
And so, as usual, you abandon your line of argument when it becomes obvious that it cannot succeed, pretending it does not exist and that you have not it fact lost that section of the debate at least.
How exactly do you think that having more people disagree with you lends you credibility? I don't need the army, I already have demonstrated that you are outclassed at debating and psychologically. Militarily doesn't make a lot of sense since we are individuals, but you have demonstrated that you are not bound by what is relevant or rational.
ooh, a double team!
Go get the army if you want a fair fight against me psychologically or militarily.
The good men are having happy mutual women of consent in this lifetime, and the evil adulterous woman will still have to wait outside of the gates of heaven in the next lifetime. There are no disobedient or disloyal wives beyond Earth or Hell.
Poor little Najam1.....Can't even keep his own thoughts strung together.
At first I just figured he was just another troll. But it's becoming apparent that he may not have the mental faculties to even be a good troll.
Keep getting him @psychdave. Pretty obvious you got him flustered.
Let's make a list of the stupid things you said in that one brief comment.
1) you were going to summon people to battle, not me.
2) it was your hypothetical situation.
3) your "people" (assuming you mean Muslims) fight lots of people, strong, weak, and defenceless.
4) I'm not waiting on you in any way, shape or form.
You can't even keep track of what you were arguing, cam you?
I will let you be the liar and fool who summons the men and women to battle a mere lying adulterous wife in your pathetic hypothetical situation.
In reality my people fight only the most formidable of opponents to mankind. You should join the Muslims, or else you will have to continue waiting outside our campgrounds.
So, in your hypothetical situation, a husband who has been cheated on should go to a stupid club, tell all the naked women to get dressed, then summon their male relatives to battle to punish his cheating wife. In what world do you think that is a reasonable or logical response. It you expect anyone to believe that was your intention for saying husbands should seek out prostitutes and strippers who are desperate for male attention, you are a liar and a fool.
I think you are an idiot if you want to pretend to be a doctor without thinking anyone will find it odd that you don't know the basics or any kind of logic or reasoning skills.
I don't think you understand that the Captain on the ship doesn't have to know the cook's recipe for biscuits in order to get the crew fed.
I told you what I would do. You have extremely poor reading comprehension.
That's a long, convoluted way of saying that you don't know.
Leave the hospital room and let my staff at it.
You funny man. Even the plastic surgeon defers to me without me being a specialist in his craft.
I can cut your hair without actually doing it by simply directing another to do it.
I can drive you to a location without ever setting foot in a car because I have others who will pick you up or drop you off at my request.
That means endearment to my peers is more valuable than my own skills. So those questions you asked are only suitable for my resident doctor allies.
I'm just a student early in the program. as an experienced practitioner this should be extremely easy for you
I do understand that you are incapable of giving a straight answer, but let's see if you are better able to answer a question from your stated profession.
a women is admitted to a hospital at 36 weeks gestational age. the fetus is in the L transverse posterior Breech presentation position. the woman is complaining of light headedness and is experiencing syncope. what do you do?
You don't understand the cradle to the grave because you are not a guardian here.
You are the one who is subject who should be questioned, as I am not the absentee at the birth and deaths of those who I share the planet with.
I'm not asking about your experiences with women. I'm asking you if you value them as an individual who with her own independent thoughts, ambitions, and will.
You don't raise pretty cars from tiny infants, nor do you teach them how to walk, fight, shoot guns, pray, be good mothers to their own offspring. I have every experience with the female from the first day as a baby to the day she is laid in the grave. I am in fact a medical professional. So you ask this of one who knows more about the human body than 80% of women currently alive.
najam. do not avoid my question.
we all value women. I'm just curious if you value them as individuals with their own will and ambitions.
or do you value them like a pretty car or a nice accessory?
He tells all of them to get dressed and summon their fathers and brothers to battle.
If I'm the only one who can say that, and I don't, that means you lose the debate.
Planning to explain your scenario, or have you painted yourself into a corner?
we all value women. I'm just curious if you value them as individuals with their own will and ambitions.
or do you value them like a pretty car or a nice accessory?
please say ' i consider women to be as equally as men. ' and ' women possess all rights that men do'
you funny men are the ones who don't know the value of women or you'd actually know a lot more about what Hoor al ayn are doing at this moment.
he considers them to be objects
najam, do you consider women to be human?
Just like you are the only one who gets to say that a good husband will be defeated by an adulterous wife, and men who hate unmarried women in your hypothetical situation.
Again, based on your argument, you are the only one who gets to say what happens in your hypothetical situation. How do you not understand your own argument?
If you don't know what to do with hordes of neglected and bored eligible women, then you deserve to be with the group of men battling over the lying adulterous wife.
Why don't you email Bill Bellamy and ask him what to do with the rooms full of desirable women, after you flee the adulterous wife?
What is wrong with your brain that you honestly don't understand that, by asking you to expand on your scenario, I am accepting your argument when you said "You don't have authority to dictate what happens next in my scenario."
If I accept that, it means I need you to tell me what happens next. Barring that, I get to decide what happens. You can't whine like a toddler because I ask you to complete your argument and you don't wanna. I strongly suspect you have painted yourself into a corner with first advocating fornication and adultery and now trying to distance yourself from your own arguments.
If you don't have a resolution to your own imaginary situation, I am not all that surprised, but these transparent evasions are just pathetic.
you are the type of man who would die with $60 million in cash that you couldn't figure what to buy with it.
I am not going to provide any more solution for your corrupted refuse to be a Muslim mind.
It's your imaginary room full of naked women. You explicitly said that I can't control what you imagine in it. How are you now incapable of saying what you imagine.
You can't have it both ways. Arguing both just makes you look like an idiot.
Well if you knew what to do with women other than have sex, I wouldn't be laughing at you.
If you don't get it together before you die, he's not going to let you through the 8 gates.
You are right. Your delusions are beyond my control. So explain you delusions. What happens when your hypothetical husband goes to your imaginary room full of eager, neglected women? Explain what happens in your hypothetical situation, or admit that you are lying.
You are refusing to be logical, and no amount of lying, posing, or rhetorical stupidity will hide that fact.
You lost man.
You don't have authority to dictate what happens next in my scenario.
You made your intentions clear that your only option for the abused husband is to have sex with the women I placed in his radius.
You don't even have control over which part of my body I scratch next, let alone the ability to dictate my twists and plots of a hypothetical situation.
You are refusing to be a Muslim, and no amount of hiding, or claiming authority to control a hypothetical man in a hypothetical situation is going to get you out of one day dying and facing the actual Master.
So you encourage men to find strippers and prostitutes, but not to have sex with them? What is happening in your brain that forms these ideas? You are encouraging fornication and sin. That means you are defying Islam.
You think it's a lack of creativity on my part, I think it's a lack of realistic understanding of the world. You think the options are to commit adultery or murder. I think you are an idiot for believing that.
Only you command the men to actually have sex with them.
You are a nonmuslim and thus you lack vision of both sides of the grave.
I put the abused husband in a situation where he is surrounded by dozens of unmarried eager women starved of attention and male presence while all the other men are busying themselves with the lying adulterous wife.
The funny part is, your creativity limits and commands the man to start having sex.
I left it there on purpose because you think all women are cowardly weaklings who don't know how to fight.
The only weaklings are the lying adulterous wife and her unmarried women hating punks.
It amazes me how easily I can demonstrate your lies, and yet you persist in trying to lie.
As for such [of the unbelievers] as do not fight against you on account of [your] faith, and neither drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show them kindness and to behave towards them with full equity: for, verily, God loves those who act equitably. (Quran 60:8)
God only forbids you to turn in friendship towards such as fight against you because of [your] faith, and drive you forth from your homelands, or aid [others] in driving you forth: and as for those [from among you] who turn towards them in friendship; it is they, they who are truly wrongdoers! (Quran 60:9)
It amazes me how much you can lie without ever seeming to realize it. You have never met me or my friends, so how exactly do you presume to know?
You are encouraging men to cross Allah for the sake of premarital sex with prostitutes and strippers.
Muslims dare not cross Allah, especially not for you.
The price of our friendship is for you to believe in Allah alone.
You really are an idiot. I have Muslim friends. They are far more literate and actually understand their religion. They don't encourage people to turn away from God and sin.
Wrong again nonmuslim!
We are only allowed to take the likes of you as a neighbor until you believe in Allah alone.
I don't care even a little bit what you think of me. You are right. Rules are rules. The fact that ALL ISLAMIC RESOURCES disagree with you means that you are, in fact, wrong about what those rules are. Muslims are allowed to have friends. They are not allowed to encourage people to sin.
To reiterate, I don't care if you trust me. I don't care if you like me. What I care about is that reasonable people reading through these comments will see whose arguments are stronger. In that I feel rather confident you have been thoroughly schooled.
Rules are rules. No Muslim is allowed to choose you as a friend and supporter over me.
So you only have a bunch of nonmuslims having your back. You refuse to believe me about Allah and already have animosity towards me about your refusing to be a Muslim.
I don't trust or believe you and your nonmuslims.
so anyone who disagrees with you, which is literally everyone, is in league with Satan?
you must live in a very lonely world.
Muslims are not your friend because you don't believe us about Allah.
Anyone willing to take your side against me is as big of Satan's fool as you are.
It's funny that you consider yourself my superior.
The end result is that you have no support from anyone, including those of your own faith. If you tempt people away from God, I sincerely doubt he will let you keep your imaginary gold star.
You were never taught the proper etiquette when addressing your superiors. I find your pathetic insults both insolent and irritating, but wouldn't be here if I was the merciless.
That isn't even an attempt at an argument.
I already earned my gold star with Allah.
You don't have one from him, or like the one I have from Mercedes.
If they perfect the flying car before my time is up, I'm getting a star there as well.
Yes. I dare put one self important religious fanatic against the teachings of his own professed faith that he is breaking.
he's an isis recruit
Najam, why do you think you're important?
You dare pit a living human alim against a mere nonmuslim with documents found on an internet website?
Again, lots of babble, no logic or supporting evidence.
Are you saying you know better than Al Islam?
You are refusing to be a Muslim and trying to use the power of Islam to fight me.
You are the pacifist asking warriors how to pilot an A1 Tiger tank against a man who has an RPG already pointed at you before you get in.
You aren't making me look stupid in literal combat either because you have to lie about words I use and make up your own.
I defeated your adulterous woman by pointing out that the husband can leave that evil wife to the men who hate unmarried women. The husband can have fun with all the neglected women your men abandon in order to participate in deceit with the woman of adultery. Muslim men are having the best here, and in the next life. Neither you or an evil wife are to change that order.
I don't have to be Muslim to read. You are Muslim and apparently are unable to.
Al Islam, a site to teach people about Islam and it's values, directly contradicts you. Either they are wrong, or you are. I am not relying on my own interpretation or knowledge of Islam. I directly quote them. Either you think they are wrong, or you are a liar.
They say sex outside of marriage is forbidden. You say go nuts with prostitutes. One of those sounds wrong, and it isn't the religious website trying to bring people to God.
I'm not seeking authority over you. Since you are a lost cause I am trying to demonstrate to anyone reading the comments that you are an idiot and do not speak for Islam. I have met many Muslims, and none of them believed the kind of hypocrisy you endorse. I don't want anyone to believe that you actually speak for Muslims and give Islam a bad name.
I am not Muslim, and don't believe in Islam, but those I have met who do are decent people. You are a hypocrite and fool whose self serving arguments are opposed to logic, morals, and Islam.
You as a nonmuslim have no authority to force me to be a kafir with you.
If that was the case, I could force you to be a Muslim by declaring that you are now a Muslim.
If you actually believed these so called Muslims you claim disagree with me, then you would believe them about Allah, which is way more important, and you would join.
You simply seek authority over Muslims, but it will never be granted.
None of the Muslims willing to entertain you are higher ranked than I am.
If they had a higher rank than me, you would be far more displeased in what they would say to you than what I have said.
You are refusing to be a Muslim and at the same time trying to second guess one of the best to use the latest and recently developed equipment. The guys who know more about Islam than I do, they are not proficient in this or the many other information sources that I inherited and took advantage of.
I'm not asking you to accept non Muslim authority. I'm pointing out that Muslims disagree with you. You aren't following Islam. You are apostate. Try again.
I am dropping facts and advice.
The Muslim doesn't need your permission or paperwork to become a Muslim, be born, or die.
Now why would Allah require the paperwork and approval of nonmuslims for his servants to marry each other.
If he were to grant the nonmuslims authority over who can be Muslim and who can't, they would prohibit everyone .
Nonmuslims only have authority over nonmuslim marriage, and we will never allow men to marry each other in the house of Allah regardless if all the nonmuslims demand so!
Again, I'm seeing lots of your opinions and no support from anyone or anything knowledgeable. I've referenced an Islamic site. Are you saying that Al Islam is attacking Muslim beliefs, or just ignorant of what true Muslims believe?
That's because you misapply the terminology.
You seek to punish the Muslim men by denying eligible women.
A Muslim can still contract a marriage with a consenting woman even if you and your allies attack his country and destroy the infrastructure. He can also accept any woman to be his concubine without permission from those who hate Allah.
If you attack and kill the Muslim who marries a woman without your permission, Allah will still admit him and the wife into heaven.
You don't own any of the women or grant them the right to exist on the Earth, but he does.
They destroy countries in hopes of stopping marriage, but fail because marriage is owned by the only God who allows only some people living on Earth to have a sequel in Paradise.
Rather than support your argument, you just ramble. Nice try, but you are still wrong.
Pre-marital sex is absolutely forbidden in Islam, no matter whether it is with a girl-friend or a prostitute. Pre-marital sex is fornication (zina).
adultery and fornication are completely different.
In your desperation to further punish the husband of the adulterous backstabbing wife, you seek to deny him access to the eligible unmarried women that you and your likes avoid like the plague.
So aside from your opinion, do you have anything that agrees with you? Post a religious texts that agrees with you. Post a religious scholar agreeing with you. Post something that isn't just you babbling more of your nonsense with nothing but hot air behind it. I posted a reference, do the same or admit you are a lying evil doer.
You are lying and purposely putting misinformation here. That's why you are not a Muslim, so you can lie about what the rules are. You are mixing up two words with two entirely different meanings,and doing it on purpose because you aren't even a Muslim and not worried about somebody killing you for lying, and you don't have to obey what you're lying about yourself.
Men can't be further punished by a lying adulterous wife, no matter how much you sit there and cheer for the adulterous wife and the man or men commiting the adultery with her. The husband doesn't have to stay right there.
He can go directly to the unmarried and eligible women that you and the adulterous wife don't want him to have. Those women are free and clear for him to take up to 4 new wives.
You are just mad that he doesn't want the lying adulterous wife anymore, nor is he sitting in jail for killing her and having to take showers with naked men.
The woman and the man guilty of fornication/adultery,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.
Qur'an, Sura 25 (An-Nur), ayat 2
I will admit that I am forced to use translations, so if it is mistranslated I am open to be corrected.
Again, what branch of Islam do you follow if the rules apparently don't apply to you?
Adultery applies to a married man only if he is the one of those you cheer for who have sex with wives of other men.
You are not even a Muslim.
Of course you will sit there and lie about the rules to Islam.
You are cheering for the villain men who hate unmarried women.
Adultery only applies to married women. The death penalty does not apply for unmarried women so you have no more defense for your men who only seek to destroy marriages.
Then you have the audacity to try and use Islam to victimize the husband of an evil adulterous wife by prohibiting him the very unmarried women your goons don't even want, and you aren't even a Muslim yourself.
You have to recognize the stupidity of your argument. No one can be that oblivious.
You are suggesting that husbands should go sleep with prostitutes and strippers, and that's fine. You say any wife who has an affair is evil and plotting to rob and kill her husband, and so should be killed.
You cannot possibly fail to understand that you are being hypocritical. You applaud men for doing something you think women should be killed for. Is that actually what your religion teaches? Can you quote scripture that agrees with you?
You are just a criminal hoping to punish men in cooperation with the evil adulterous wife by denying access to eligible and unmarried females.
Evil men are so stupid when they go after married women that they forget that you cannot force the husband to ignore the unmarried women.
You are criminals who are happy to commit adultery with a man's wife, but you weak dirty punks have no authority to prevent him from letting you have her, and going where the naked, unmarried eligible women are waiting.
Again with the lies about my arguments.
Is a husband sleeping with a prostitute cheating?
If not, you are a liar.
If so, it's no better than a woman doing the same. I can only assume you believe he is plotting to rob, beat and kill his wife.
You are just lying because you further want to punish men who have already been victimized by a lying adulterous wife.
You are a sadist who only wishes to assist those type of women with their prey.
Adultery means the woman is violating the marriage contract to and has made commitment and promises to her husband.
The women that you seek to hide, pretend don't exist, and deny to the victimized man are all unmarried and eligible women. Too bad for you and your adulterous champion female that they are all clear and free for him to have sex with and marry.
Your stupid men who assist the evil wife in commiting adultery passed up their chance to be with unmarried eligible women, unlike the victimized husband they can no longer deprive.
I was under the impression premarital sex was a sin. Namely Zina, the same as having an affair. You are literally saying people should commit the same offense you think others should be killed for.
If the man is not married to the strippers or prostitutes, you are encouraging him to sin. Isn't that a sin itself?
The evil adulterous woman does not get to further punish the man and prohibit him from the room full of naked women. If she was already prohibiting him the affection and attention of multitudes of women before she was caught, he is more than entitled to as many as he can get.
to the right...
this man calls himself Muslim yet promotes adultery and debauchery.... does that mean all Islam must think like him?
isis calls to violence despite most Muslims saying they are unislamic. yet just because they call themselves Muslims you are unable to differentiate between them?
najam, with his unislamic views on Islam is a prime example as to why the Islamic world answers your claims of "extreme Islamic terrorism" with the term "extreme unislamic terroism". they denounce isis and their savage ways, yet you don't hear them because you choose not to listen.
is it that nice put your brain on the back burner and succumb to easy generalizations?
can't they kill their wife and then grab the room full of women?
can't they not kill their wife and choose to find a singular good girl to make their own instead of reveling in debauchery which seems rather unislamic... especially coming from a self proclaimed muslim.
My reality is that I have had in-person discussion with men who have killed at least one wife. I was very concerned that they didn't choose the room full of naked women instead.
well heck, the guy is apparently on the verge of murder here.... I think we can safely say this situation is beyond counseling.
or counseling if u wish to continue.
so the choices are:
be an adulterer or be a murderer?
your screwed up.
why not just divorce and move on?
A. Rooms full of naked eager and willing woman versus
B. killing a backstabbing adulterous wife and taking showers in rooms full of naked men.
I have already spoken with men who like the second choice. They get some kind of revenge gratification that I failed to argue against convincingly.
because the good man choose that women...
none forced him to marry her. he made that choice... and if he wants out, divorce is an option.
An evil adulterous woman deserves only the worst of men, why should a good man be punished with her presence?
Obviously the divorce becomes effective as soon as he declares it.
In fact, if he's good enough there would be two beautiful naked women on his lap within an hour of leaving the lesser men to squabble over the treacherous adulteress.
so he should cheat on his wife?
why not just get a divorce?
many men in jail for that choice.
some men kill them and bite the bullet in prison.
some got away with it here, but not on the other side.
He is stupid to choose the lying adulterous wife over the room full of naked horny women.
so the husband is wrong for not committing adultery?
My argument is that the husband of a lying adulterous wife is at fault for refusing all the naked women in the booty shake joints who are not lying adulterers.
Still no argument but lies about my position? When are you going to give up?
Nobody lying except you.
You are advocating for criminal men who hate wives and children for themselves.
Those men can go to the strip where unclaimed women are.
You are a criminal who will tell them to avoid all unclaimed women and go to married women and commit adultery since the husband refuses to go to the strip club himself.
See previous post to understand why you are a lying idiot.
You are a criminal pretending to have control over dishonest, lying adulterous women. I find it extremely disconcerting that you are not being victimized yourself by lying, adulterous women and evil lying men who hate wives and children of their own.
I find it very disconcerting that these men who hate wives for themselves don't cut your throat, or shoot you in the head while committing their crimes.
Why are these criminal men and women so obedient to you and limit their crimes because you order them to?
You ascribe positions to me that I have not taken. You are a liar and a fool.
I am not saying I control the women who cheat, I am saying that not all want to kill or rob their husbands. That has repeatedly been pointed out. Are you illiterate, or just a liar?
Who are you to tell an evil adulterous woman how far to go in her evil?
How is it that you have authority over women who commit adultery in the first place?
All those men you named are just punks who refuse to be Muslim. They are my inferiors along with your other allies on here. You disagree with superior ideology and you refuse to be a Muslim. This is Earth, and you are allowed to do so.
You are not allowed to advocate adulterous lying women.
You are not allowed to force husbands to distrust their wives.
If a woman wants to have sex with you, I won't marry her, instead I will allow her to marry you.
You want to encourage women to lie and betray their own husband, but that should only be done to you.
If a woman lies, and deceives, or instigates the murder of her husband, you should be that husband.
Since you want men to have lying, adulterous, untrustworthy wives, it should only be you who is such a victim, then I can feel good about the world.
What rule says that she will. Life is not an all or nothing thing.
Some women cheat because they are unhappy with their marriage. Others do so while drinking and regret it afterwards. Others fall in love with someone other than their husband. There are as many reasons people cheat as there are people who cheat. It is not ok, but your assumption that it makes them evil and deserving of death is simplistic and childish.
"I got selected for the highest order, so you can't lead anything without my sanction."
Your sanction means nothing to me, it means nothing to Trump, it means nothing to Putin, Justin Trudeau or any other leader. If you honestly believe I can't lead without your sanction, you have illusions of grandeur.
Finally, again, you know nothing of my life. What makes you feel I have nothing of value? To continue to lie and argue like a child throwing a tantrum doesn't mean you win the debate. The fact that you have been called out by multiple people on multiple threads for being a terrible debater, not supporting arguments, and going off on tangents should show you that you are doing something wrong. I was patient with you for quite a whole, but recently I am just tired of your antics. That's why I started simply calling you out on your lies. You aren't worth a more full response.
Not judging them.
You don't have authority to denigrate the value of husband and wife trust.
Just because you have nothing worth being stolen has nothing to do with how many valuable treasures other men may need to entrust their wife with.
If she's willing to betray for sex, what rule says she won't betray his entire stash?
Do you honestly believe you have been chosen by angels to judge people?
That's because I am ahead of you.
Angels have wings, and are my friends.
I got selected for the highest order, so you can't lead anything without my sanction.
The trust issue of a husband and his wife has stupendous value.
If a man cannot trust his own wife, marriage will be defeated, thus adultery will be confined to the Earth and evildoers only.
And still claiming I am saying things I am not. That is called lying.
"You are insinuating that an evil man who commits adultery has to obey you and limit his crimes and wrongdoing to only adultery.
That's not how bad guys roll."
No, in asking if a woman who cheats, and commits no other crime, deserves to die. That's it.
" Taking another man's wife by stealth is not as trivial as you portray it. "
I haven't portrayed it as anything. You are, again, lying.
" I have special defense from those women, but you don't."
You know very little about my life. By claiming you do you are, once again, lying.
I don't in any way claim to be the center of the world. I am my daughter's father, my wife's husband, and my parents' child. I am important in the lives of those I care about, just as they are to me. The fact that I am not influential on an international stage is irrelevant. I will take time with my family over international attention any day.
I am not lying by insinuating.
You are insinuating that an evil man who commits adultery has to obey you and limit his crimes and wrongdoing to only adultery.
That's not how bad guys roll.
After your wife betrays even sex to their group, they don't think they are in heaven and now completely satisfied.
Bad guys look to do something more bad than what they just completed.
Taking another man's wife by stealth is not as trivial as you portray it.
I have personally passed the opportunity to laugh at a man with his own scheming wife.
It's not because I was frightened of confronting him in personal combat, his own wife said he was a punk who didn't deserve her.
I have special defense from those women, but you don't.
So your response is to say that you are insignificant and have no value to the greater world? Wow, that's actually kind of sad.
Liquid swords, intellectual sharpness, wit, humor!
In the meantime, Donald Trump can write a few words and affect thousands of lives.
Are you really keeping perspective of how insignificant our debates and words are to the billions of living humans?
Or are you so self-centered to actually believe that you and I are the world?
That way you only have to account for the 145 comments made in the past week.
You are the one denying being in that many threads. Tell me, how many have you commented on in the last week? I won't even ask for a month.
Are no point in this debate have I said anything to support infidelity. Even after that was pointed out, you have said :
"Men like you who advocate for women to commit adultery, should be permitted to be victims as well. "
"You are trying to trivialize a woman who potentially transnits AIDS to her husband."
"The fact that you are okay with your wife having sex with men who refuse wives and children of their own, and refuse all eligible unmarried women, is extremely disturbing and possibly deadly for you in the future"
That is called lying. I asked if you felt infidelity deserved death. That is what set you off onto this rambling path of lies. I didn't say cheating was ok, I didn't say I would be ok with my wife cheating on me. Could you quote me saying any of what you keep claiming I did? Otherwise, you are lying.
313 comments in how many threads?
Making yourself look foolish is unhealthy, my neighbor. I only speak in threads with the juiciest subjects, not all, because there are many boring threads on this app.
And you believe I am an advocate for lying adulterous women why, exactly?
You are the one being slick.
You are quick to cry out lies!
Point out the lie and tell us the truth then.
Otherwise you are just hiding and distracting in an attempt to provoke me into calling you a liar, confuse the situation and come out with a stalemate.
Of course, I believe you are an advocate for lying adulterous women until one of them manages to victimize you.
In what way do you think you are proving anything except your inability to debate like a moderately intelligent person?
You cannot address the comments you are responding to. Instead you create your own scenario in which my opinion is not only wrong, it is criminal. The problem is that it isn't my opinion. You are arguing with positions no one has taken to avoid dealing with the fact that you have no supporting evidence.
Look at this thread, I asked if cheating on a spouse deserved death. You responded by claiming I was not only in favor of infidelity, but of robbing, beating and murdering the spouse as well. I hadn't expressed any opinion, I has asked you a question. When I pointed this out, you continued to claim it, ignoring the fact that you could literally scroll down and see that I hadn't.
You don't win debates. You babble you religious and political beliefs repeatedly without evidence, you misrepresent you opponents arguments, you go on wild tangents. That is not winning. It is demonstrating that you don't understand how debates work.
I wish you all the best in life, but I hope you are more intelligent than your arguments make you appear. Otherwise I suspect you will spend your life believing you are perfect and the only reason you fail and are miserable is became everyone is against you.
In the last month you have posted 313 comments. Would you like to keep lying and claim you haven't posted in many threads, or are you going to call me a liar and a crook for pointing this out?
I dominated you so bad with the AIDS comment that you had to lie and claim that I have a bunch of threads, but I only have a few.
You are the lying crooks.
I only have a few threads that I am part of.
Excellent deflection to my last comment which decimated your argument.
Great cover up you coward who deserves an adulterous woman to set you up to be robbed and killed while everyone else laughs and trivializes it, you lying dog!
Ya, I haven't advocated or supported any of those things. You are still a liar, which I'm pretty sure your God dislikes.
Aren't you worried about your invisible friends having uncomfortable questions about why you kept lying for no good reason?
And either largely illiterate or a pathological liar.
this app has gotten so boring with najam trolling every thread. there's no point even talking to him. he is outright delusional.
unless you are the pimp of a prostitute, then you only care that they pay the full amount.
Those men can transmit crabs and scabies, or other stds even with a condom.
You are trying to trivialize a woman who potentially transnits AIDS to her husband.
Some men don't have sex with other men, but some do.
If your wife is having sex with random men, you have no proof they are not thieves, homosexual sodomites, or murderous thieves.
The fact that you are okay with your wife having sex with men who refuse wives and children of their own, and refuse all eligible unmarried women, is extremely disturbing and possibly deadly for you in the future.
At what point have I said it was ok if people cheated on their spouse, were robbed, or murdered?
If you can't help but lie, could you at least try to be less blatantly stupid about it?
It's already labeled a death penalty offense before I was born.
You are the one who should be victimized by a lying adulterous woman, but you probably have no valuables worthy of being stolen.
Hence you see no problem with other men being robbed, betrayed or even murdered by men who hate the presence of wives and children of their own, and even hate all unmarried eligible women who graduated College or highschool.
Nope, I'm not advocating that. You are still lying.
What do you base your assumption that women who have an affair also plot the death of their husband? Do you have any evidence?
You do seem to have accidentally agreed that it deserves death. Do you think a husband who cheats also deserves death? For that matter, do you believe husbands that cheat also plot the death of their wife?
You fail to see the evil of a man refusing all eligible unmarried women who have finished highschool or college.
You fail to see the evil of a man who avoids all wives and children of his own to share secrets with, just so he can steal from another man?
You are advocating it, extremely passively. u
Your notion is what's wrong with a wife doing adultery, and why is it labeled a death penalty offense?
Quite often, the one she commits adultery with uses her to attack the husband.
Are you so naive to evil doing and the trail?
Why do you think to limit a woman's betrayal to only sex, while a Holy marriage is far more sophisticated?
I'm not advocating that.
You are still lying. Isn't that a sin?
The world isn't fair. Men like you who advocate for women to commit adultery, should be permitted to be victims as well.
An adulterous wife will betray the husband by telling where every ounce of gold is hidden, she's not just giving sex to your enemies. She will give them everything she can.
I am not approving their actions.
I am advocating women to lie to you and bring random male sexual partners to steal from you, rifle your possessions and plot on how to do more evil to you.
You are the one approving of the evil actions being done to other men.
I am saying those actions are only okay if an evil woman does those things to you, or a man like you.
Could you refrain from lying for a single post?
I am not advocating that. I am not even condoning women cheating. I am asking you if you think they deserve to die.
If you respond to this with more babble about murder and theft, which are in no way connected to my arguments, I will simply start calling you out on your lies rather than addressing them fully. Please debate like a rational person, or remain silent to stop exposing your inability to.
You are advocating women to lie and betray their husband to men who are known to rob and murder. I am not stupid enough to believe men committing adultery will obey you, and not rob, murder, or steal from the victimized man.
You are just a criminal who wants to laugh when other people are lied to, betrayed by, or stolen from by someone they trust.
Again, it's too bad that some woman hasn't been able to lie to you, and set you up to be robbed and murdered.
You have no compassion for the victim, and cheer for the villain.
One day, you will be the victim, and people will smile.
Again, learn to read. I'm not going to type out the whole thing again, but please read my previous post. It is still valid since you just again misrepresented my position rather that debate rationally.
But you are lying to pretend that evil adulterous women won't have sex with robbers and murderers.
It's too bad an evil woman hasn't set you up to be robbed and murdered by men she had sex with, then we'll see how much advocacy you have for lies,treachery ,and evil committed against you by a woman and her
You really can't read apparently.
Not robbing, not killing, and the husband has no enemies. Does a woman deserve to die for having an affair? Don't add things, don't assume anything else.
I'm not laughing with her, I'm not even approving of her actions. Stop being dishonest and misrepresenting my arguments.
if a treacherous wife commits adultery with her husbands enemies and you sit back and laugh with the woman, hopefully they will come rob, murder you next.
I don't know why you think adulterous women don't have sex with robbers and murderers. It's not some minor hanky panky taking place on Earth. An evil wife will even find some men to have sex with, so they can rob and kill you.
how is the original question being ignored? the question is whether a good man should endeavour to teach another to pray. who's to say a good man prays? what even defines a good man anymore? a good man should not be decided because they have religion or not. it should be because of the choices you make for others.
If a woman cheats on her husband, should she be killed. Not sets him up to be robbed or killed or whatever else is going on in your brain.
That is not what I am arguing. Please stop lying.
your skanky women who set up men to be robbed and murdered deserve whatever happens to them, you too if you lie for them and try to protect their crimes. l
I don't need help, he just agrees that you are not addressing my arguments and are instead arguing against things you wish I was saying. This is intellectually dishonest. I address you arguments, you run off and call me evil and claim I am supporting murder. You aren't doing much to address the arguments now either.
if he needs help, I am winning.
He wants to advocate and justify very evil women who basically are participating in robbery and murder by gaining the confidence of a man. He actually supports women setting up men to be robbed and killed. He will defend an evil woman who is wrong because he is evil himself.
Neither he or the woman who sets a man up to be robbed and killed are going to escape. He wants to play games like its just about sex.
Reading through this thread, I'd say that you are being intellectually dishonest and you misrepresent @psychdave's views, arguments, and intentions. You need to really check your bias and prejudices and address his actual argument rather than the falsehoods you claim he's making.
it's because you are a crook.
you actually advocate women betraying men to their deadliest enemies, and im fact you hope she sets him up to be killed so you can laugh about it.
you would have helped Delilah get Samson captured because you only want men to be set up and killed so you can laugh about it with the evil woman after he is dead.
Because you feel justified in killing. I asked if there were circumstances where you applied that justification to other people. From your response, in which you felt the need to make up your own scenario rather than answer my question, you seem to. This is surprising since it is actually condemned by the Quran, which lays out a punishment in lashes for such actions. That is why I ask questions, to get your answer. It would have been easy for most people to say "no, killing a cheating wife is not justified", but as I suspected you felt the need to justify it.
how do you jump the gap from killing a dangerous creature disrupting the prayer to an enraged husband killing an adulterous and treacherous wife who told all his secrets to his deadliest enemy?
So no Muslim man would ever kill a woman for something like infidelity, right?
killing a mosquito and killing a human are completely different.
You were the one who said there were situations where you were commanded to kill. I was curious if that carried over to women and children.
it's not acceptable to kill men, women, or children.
what makes you think it's okay to only kill men?
I'm not being a crook, I'm asking you a simple question. You are playing word games to avoid answering. I think earlier you said that made someone a crook.
That's nice. Is it acceptable to kill women and children? It's not a hard question.
You are being a crook. You are pretending that a woman can't kill you. I know one who can kill a man with a barrel chest and bulging biceps.
which brings more to God?
That is not sarcasm. Is it acceptable to kill women and children?
Your sarcasm is out of place. I already know a very small nonmuslim woman who will kill you even if you can bench press 500 pounds.
How about women and children? When are they authorized to kill them?
Christians are ordered to turn the other cheek when struck.
A Muslim is authorized to kill even a very strong man who attacks.
how are u going to stop that person if their stronger than u? Jesus did so to wash away our sins.
Christians have different orders than Muslims.
No Muslim is going to allow anyone to beat them and put them on a cross unless they kill the Muslim first.
that is silly. God made them. killing them just because u happen to be talking to God in that spot is crazy.
Even a mosquito is authorized to be killed if it attacks you during prayer.
again why? God created them. killing them just because they came near u is silly
poisonous spiders and snakes get to die as well.
or a scorpion. yeah the devil can act through things and u but God has given u the power to cast him out. there is no need to kill. if u truly believe the scorpion had the devil cast him out and send the scorpion away. there's no need to kill.
for me no. people are good either way.
Muslims have a specific list of those that are permissible to be killed.
If a scorpion attacks your, prayer, that's the devil.
this seems to suggest that you can't be a "good man" without prayer....is that your position?
dude why would u kill a creature while ur talking to God? if u and ur friend were talking and a deer past by would u kill it? God is a God of mercy. not murder.
The prayer time is sacred, and a blessed occasion.
That's why Muslims are the group with explicit instructions on which dangerous creatures may be killed if they dare interrupt.
I understand. yes these things have happened I question each. I would like to have separate debates for each and proper research time for them though. it would make things easier. well in Revelations two prophets will come so I hope when.they do a lot of people will listen with an open mind. I would like u to see this movie called holy spirit reborn. think on what they say. and there actions.
I tried looking for God on my own after being disillusioned by organized religions, but the more I read the Bible, the more I found things I could not accept in a loving God. Killing children in Egypt to teach pharaoh a lesson; killing men, women and children indiscriminately repeatedly (Sodam, Noah, Jericho); condemning homosexuality; to say nothing of the hypocrisy in some parts and the purely amoral sections on "justice".
I am not against God, I just can't believe in the one portrayed in the Bible. I can't equate an all loving God with the stories of His actions. Once I had moved away from the Bible itself, I stopped having justification for faith since I haven't seen independent evidence of God. Honestly, if a prophet came today and showed me the things Jesus, Peter, Moses and all of the others showed their followers, I would almost definitely believe. Unless someone can give me a reason for faith, I just can't believe blindly.
I don't mean any of that to insult or attack your faith. I know each person has their own path. I just thought it would be easier to understand my perspective if I explained how I arrived at it.
it doesn't matter where or how u pray. God still hears u.
true organized religion has its big faults. I would ask u to seek God by urself and don't let man get in the way. of course u don't have to but I assure it is quite different when u do. I personally am thinking of being a pastor and trying to help others like this.
You should wash yourself, remove your shoes, and pray where its clean, and smells pleasant. Don't pray in the toilet room.
I was largely being facetious. I am agnostic and don't actually pray.
I was raised Christian in a strongly religious family. They are Protestant and my parents and grandparents are still religious. When I would pray at that point, it would largely be as a one sided conversation with God explaining how I felt what I needed help with and asking for that help.
I actually considered joining the church for quite some time but the more I learned about the intolerance and hate people use religion to justify, the more I had to examine my own role in perpetuating that. Eventually I drifted further away from organized religion.
out of curiosity how do u pray? I would say prayer is simply conversation
I can teach you how I pray if you find your method wanting.