Everyone should be a vegetarian or a vegan

July 16, 2015, 7:00 am

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The debate "Everyone should be a vegetarian or a vegan" was started by Girl101 on July 16, 2015, 7:00 am. 23 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 90 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

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We are no more obligated to be herbivores than wolves.

4 years, 3 months ago

I believe that humans are just as much apart if the food chain as animals we just happen to be omnivores people should have their choice whatever they feel like eating is what they should eat although I do believe going vegetarian or vegan has many benefits

4 years, 3 months ago

evolution made us omnivorous, and for a good reason.

4 years, 4 months ago
I_Voyager
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There have been definite links between some meats and heart disease and cancer. One can thusly infer eating less meat will reduce the chance of these things. Though I've heard no evidence to support the grain-for-children argument... I can't accept blindly the statistic that the grain fed to livestock is enough to keep 20K kids from dying... But I could accept the possibility that less grain going to livestock means more grain going to people, and that the cost of meat must necessarily include the cost of grain, so the cost of the grain must be less than the cost of the meat.

But like I said, the market's a bitch and sometimes when you take weight off something, people drop the ball rather than doing the noble thing of producing more for less.

4 years, 4 months ago
I_Voyager
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I can accept the argument that less meat would mean more grain for starving children. This advances my belief that the synthetic meat I mentioned below should replace cattle industry. If there were no cattle, there would be spare grain for children - assuming the market decided to feed those children. The market can be a dick sometimes.

Yet science has demonstrated that it was cooking and eating meat which allowed for us to evolve our big brains. By cooking meat we gained a valuable protein, while allowing for our jaws to reduce in size which reduced the weight pulling down on our skulls, allowing our skulls to increase in size.

I won't argue that vegetarianism is going to make you waste away. I don't think people are going to starve and die. But I do think vegetarians will always be lacking in physical strength, physical endurance and mental endurance. I can see it reducing heart disease or cancer... There are so many things wrong with our meat industries that it isn't funny. Processed meats are terrible and yet painfully common. And general meat is poorly raised and often fed crap. But I would argue that if we ditched processed meats, fed our livestock better and generally ate less meat, meat eaters would be better off than vegetarians.

4 years, 4 months ago

You seem to be arguing against points that no one has made. No one said they are starving themselves, we said that supplements are often needed to make up for missing nutrients. As to your argument about teeth, you are aware that incisors are meant for cutting meat, right?

Where did you get the information about children starving because we are feeding animals, as well as cancer and heart disease risk? I don't know that it is not true, but I also haven't seen anyone proving that it is.

4 years, 4 months ago

if vegetarians or vegans are starving themselves, how come vegetarians aren't dying? it has been proven a vegetarian or vegan diet reduces your chance of heart desiese, and cancer. aside from animals and enviorment, 20,000 children die each year because we give grain to factory animals rather than starving kids. there are plenty of protein sources such as beans and soy for vegetarians or vegans. vegetarians and vegans also tend to live longer. also, our hands are good for gathering plants and fruit, not ripping apart live animals. our flat teeth are good for grinding grains and plants, not tearing apart flesh.

4 years, 4 months ago

Just to re-enforce Dave's position, there are critical neurotransmitters which come from meats. Depriving yourself of meat starves the mind as well as the body.

I appreciate the sentiment of vegitarianism. I believe all animals in livestock deserve space, socialization, relative comfort and freedom from abuse. But I accept that life eats life eats life eats life; this is necessary.

Mind you, there are major advances in synthetic meat. It's real meat, stem-cells of cow or pig transforming into muscle tissue, consuming a 3D printed collagen shell 'til it resembles a burger patty, then stimulated by electricity to cause twitching to build up the muscle tissue into something flavorful. But apparently it isn't very juicy because it's fatless meat... But hell, fat's not that good for you anyways.

4 years, 4 months ago

The human body evolved to be omnivorous. While it is possible to have a healthy diet as a vegan or vegetarian, it often requires supplements to replace the nutrients that are missing from the diet, and conditions like low iron are quite common. Eating vegetarian or vegan is also usually more expensive to get a complete diet, meaning that those on limited incomes would not be able to get a healthy diet

4 years, 4 months ago
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