The debate "Everyone should turn vegan and/or survive on single cell protein diets. At least for a few years." was started by
February 26, 2016, 2:54 am.
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NaggingNut, healthywhealthy, barman and 1 visitor agree.
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For those interested, this is the EPA link that shows sources of greenhouse gasses.
also, there were never this many cows, so this breeding a cultivating of cow populations is artificial and due to human choice, it is not the natural balanced system. Although I do doubt that they are as significant a contributor as the claim here has been.
it may also have to do less with the cows gut and more with their feed, which was once a natural variety of plants and is now primarily corn based cow feed. if we were eating nothing but beans we'd probably be screwing up the air with our billions of billions of daily farts as well.
can you provide a link showing exactly how much of the greenhouse gases come from cows and how much comes from human non farming activity?
@alex, just cause there are natural producers of greenhouse gases doesn't mean those multitude of smoke stacks spewing black clouds into the air do nothing.
we need greenhouse gases, without them the planet would be an ice cube. but adding unnatural quantities into the air that were never part of the previously balanced equation is how you turn the planet into an inhospitable hell.
Methane is a greenhouse gas. And do you know where methane comes from? The guts of cattle. And because cattle are bred for meat they're fed quite well. Which leads to increase in the amount of gas they produce and release into the atmosphere.
Also, you need acres and acres of land to house the cattle. And acres more to grow food for them. That required deforestation. Deforestation leads to increase in greenhouse gases. Which leads to global warming.
"You know cattle is the one of the largest contributors to greenhouse gases."
WTF? what? how? when? why?
if this is true then why do liberals think new energy is the answer?
also single cell protein, based on a quick google, is massively toxic. I'm not talking about killing you slowly toxins like meat, I mean fatal if ingested toxins that have to be actively and carefully removed prior to ingestion. We are better of growing real meat from stem cells, which would eliminate many of the environmental and animal cruelty concerns without sacrifice. Viva science.
vegetarians and vegans are not healthier then active meat eaters that have variety in their diet. vegans live longer, but not healthier. The eating of cooked meat is what gave us the abandance of energy that allowed us to develop our brains to our modern capacity.
I guess the ideal would be to remove meat from the diet once one reached adulthood, but removing meat from children will stifle both brain and muscle development.
You know cattle is the one of the largest contributors to greenhouse gases. So if anything a decrease in their number would drastically help us in many ways.
Umm, you know the earth can't keep up with our demands right? And currently we don't have any other place to live, so yes, deteriorating our environment will most definitely kill us.
I couldn't give up meat. I have meat like 350 days of the year. I'm healthy, and my favorite food is bacon.
also..and this is just my opinion....but taking meat supplements can in no way be as good as the real thing. there's a reason the food chain evolved.
also like 90% of vegetable are gross anyway but again just my opinion :)
I'm not in denial about meat being less healthy, I just don't care because like I said earlier as long as you don't eat it by the bucket load you're gonna be fine.
as for things you can get else where other than meat I did some research and found the following things that you either can't get from vegetables or are extremely difficult to get from vegetables.
meat is necessary for vitamin B12
also meat supplements are much more difficult and expensive. and not everyone has access to them.
and have you considered what would happen to the farm animals of we no longer eat meat.
sheep, chickens and cow numbers would decrease as we would only need them for wool, eggs and milk
and pigs would pretty much disappear. no famrer would spend time energy and money raising pigs if no one is going to buy the meat. so for people worried about "killing animals" more animals would end up dead that way.
I'd be a vegan, but id struggle to give up meat
Only reason this is an arguement is because meat taste good but it causes more harm than good. If you don't agree. Its denial.
Lol, all of you know that the average vegan is way more healthier than the average meat eater. That's a stupid arguement to go against. you can get all your vitamins and proteins from vegetables and anything other than meat. its possible making excuses cause you loves that taste of tender meat in your mouth. its called denial.
will a depleted environment kill us? if so, how?
also I'm willing to bet a steak tastes better then algae.
won't everyone turning vegan result in less plants and urt the environment that way?
But what if I tell you all this nutrition can be gained from algae and single cell proteins. It is much more economical and environmentally friendly to do so. I'm not saying turn vegetarian immediately but we need to start acclimatising our body to other forms of nutrition because our planet cannot handle our food demands anymore.
Our meat demands are killing the planet. The lengths we go to, to keep producing meat is depleting our environment.
personally I'd rather be healthy now. If I had to id rather have high cholesterol when I'm 80 than now when I'm 18. at 80 you're already limited to what you can do, at 18 there's nothing I can't do if I put my mind to it. but that's my personal opinion!
where you get your info is important, not all sources are reputable, however even with good data one must be careful of fine print.
note how your study claimed vegetarians are less healthy during their lives, and not that they live shorter lives as most contrary studies find. both can be equally true and pretty much represents my first post in this thread. Do you want to be healthier now or later?
it really depends what you read; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/vegetarians-are-less-healthy-and-have-a-lower-quality-of-life-than-meat-eaters-scientists-say-9236340.html
this talks about why meat eaters are healthier!
to be honest, unless you plan on gorging yourself on meat and not once touching some veg you're gonna be fine!
although that is true as far as the total difference in life expectancy, the fact that red meat increases bad cholesterol and clogs arteries is indesputable. It may not cause as big a difference as the numbers seem to show, there is most definitely a negative effect on life expectancy (although as I stated previously, there may be other benefits.)
In addition, the fish eaters who live even longer have their diet mostly influenced by their local and historic diets and are just as likely to do unhealthy activities as meat eaters.
*few cultures are as unhealthy as general Americans, but they are still unlikely to make as many conscious health choices and abstain from substances as typical vegans would, and yet the fish heavy cultures still live longer.
those stats can be easily skewed. vegans tend to watch what they eat more. so it isn't just less red meat. it would also be less of other unhealthy things. you can't draw the conclusion that red meat shortens life expectancy by a significant margin.
a) vegans live longer then red meat eaters, but fish eaters live even longer than vegans, and have half the cancer rate.
b) not eating meat allows you to live longer, but eating meat builds brain and muscle much better/faster. especially in younger children. Do you want to be healthy now or later is the question.
Evolution is a continuous process. It doesn't stop now and it won't stop unless entire mankind is wiped out. We are always evolving. Maybe 2000 years from now we won't have the same physical and physiological traits as we do now because of the environment we have been exposed to and exposed ourselves to.
we should never turn vegan!
we shouldn't turn vegan for many reasons but one I think is most important is that we have literally evolved to eat meat. we have canine teeth!! we have certain enzymes in our stomach for divesting meat. we have evolved a brain genius enough to learnt go hunt and kill. meat is important to us, and we wouldn't be where we are now without it!
also it tastes good and there is no way in the whole universe that I will ever give up my lovely KFC zinger burger! mmhmm!