The debate "Extreme leftists have no room to call others Nazis" was started by
June 27, 2018, 5:46 pm.
35 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 24 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.
AGustafson posted 1 argument, Matthew354 posted 1 argument to the agreers part.
Brynn posted 1 argument, Nemiroff posted 2 arguments to the disagreers part.
Masonearl, followdearros, Andji, luljeta101, AGustafson, Matthew354, wth64828, NitinTher and 27 visitors agree.
Yannis, tenyiyi, Crystals, Nemiroff, Brynn, crispsandchips and 18 visitors disagree.
I'm sure some idiots on the left throw nazi at every right winger, just like far too many idiots on the right have been throwing the word traitor and many many insults at everyone on the left for decades.
it's a shame when people choose to turn a blind eye to the hypocrisy within their own ranks, that is hypocrisy in it's own right.
True, the word nazi has lost its meaning now. its like that simple experiment that if someone says a swear word in a tireless amount of times, it loses its meaning. America has gone numb!
If they didnt have jobs they would have starved or became prostitutes.
The reason there is no child labor now is not because its illegal, it's because our living standard is so high they dont have to.
During the industrial revolution people chose the best option possible compared to all the alternatives.
child labor were putting children in limb losing jobs because disorganized impoverished masses have no power.
idk what universe your talking about
If you can't tell a difference between voluntarily selling healthcare and people having a "right" to your services your IQ isnt high enough.
A poor person during the US industrial revolution had more liberty than he wpuld have had in any other market in the world, and only investment in capital made working conditions better, not governnent.
how does providing healthcare make someone a slave?
aye, but are free market ideals really liberating for all? how much liberty did a poor person during the early industrial revolution have? choice of where to lose limb and life for inadequate pennies in tuberculosis hell?
the government should absolutely not dictate what a person does, not even commerce between private citizens, as it doesn't. you can make this argument for mom and pop shops, but once you seperate it into a corporation, that is no longer a person with inalienable rights.
besides, the whole point of the free market is to innovate and capitalize on opportunity. we the people can choose the environment, the free market continue to innovate and capitalize. so long as we dont actively pick winners and losers.
This is why I never refer to the Left as liberal. Because again, you have to be liberal to be liberal.
I think what most leftists will say to this is how expanded government offers the "true freedom" of positive rights. Freedom from want, from scarcity, from self awareness and responsibility, freedom from from individual rights. All of which rely 100% on forcing individuals agaist their will everyone becomeing a slave to "society" which is just another confusion term for the government.
Yeah I understand what your saying Nemiroff but I kind of disagree with the whole history of naming political movements.
As Frederic Bastiat said in "The Law" (a true liberal), statist ideologies will rise with the confusion of terms. Where liberal means non-liberalization, where freedom is slavery.
I don't like relative terms because they cloud our minds over time and work against liberty. Calling your self liberal dosent make the ideas liberating.
To be a liberal you have to believe in LIBERALIZATION. Not non-liberalization. A is A not -A.
A Nazi can be put into a definition and anyone who has the ability to correctly assign definitions can do that. Extreme leftists shouldn't all be excluded from having this ability.
also, although I agree with them that those views make you right, the question was whether they make you a nazi, which you arent
it seems right now you were the one who implied right wing and nazi are interchangeably, not lefties.
the old left sought to liberate itself from oppressive government, meanwhile the new left seeks to recreate government in its own way.
so while classic liberalism lead to the american revolution, the founding fathers were already taking the first steps towards neoliberalism. a nation without a monarch, a government of the people, by the people, for the people. their own words.
that is a good point. but liberal means new, progressive, change. so what was classically liberal will become old, traditional, right.
what was classic liberalism fighting against? it was a monarchy that used peasants as cattle. yeah, your definitely more progressive than that, but right and left are relative to the center, and the center moved. you have to compare yourself to the modern status quo, not from some random point in the past.
I understand you fear the deep state or big brother will form a secret monarchy of control, but that's why the side that's pushing for more government also push more civilian control over government, less monetary influence, more oversight and transparency.
Most leftists regard small government as "right wing" when it is just classical liberalism. This is what I'm referring to. Therefore either small government is not right wing, or Nazism is not the extreme right.
So private gun ownership is not right wing. Privitized healthcare, railroads, postal service, everything else ect is not right wing. Freedom of association is not right wing. And so on. Most leftists believe this is the "right" when it is just liberalism.
I don't believe anyone calls someone a nazi over their belief in small government. the nazi outcry came after charletsville when there were literal nazis, walking thru the streets chanting "Jews will not replace us"
the number of lefties declaring you a nazi over your liberitarian beliefs is about equal to the number of people of righties declaring all leftists as "savage beasts seeking to destroy our country"
just as you find lefties declaring all right wingers are racist, you have righties like Gustafson declaring all lefties as evil or deranged. I find it sad that you actually believe that this reflects "most lefties". I think your wrong and also turning a blind to the exact same minority on your own side.
All the thumbs up here are probably misinformed Donald Trump worshipping, right wing irritants. Nazis are racists, they march and wave Confederate flag whereas extreme leftists are not, simple as that.
I can understand the disagreement between national socialism and marxist socialism, but I don't think leftists have any room to call people "nazis" that believe in less government. Leftists often call an caps like myself "nazis" and ypu have to decide if "right wing" is totalitarian government or anarchy.
then you must believe the aryan nation is an actual nation and that Syria is a democratic republic.
therefore, you believe words > actions?
It's simple: Leftists stand for socialism. NAZI stands for National SOCIALIST German Workers party. (it translates to fit the letters of Nazi)
what's the most nazi like thing an extreme leftist has done?
define what extreme left means to you. I've noticed that what Americans think extreme left means is actually fairly moderate in other countries.
also, why wouldn't people on the left be able to call people Nazis? how are those things related?