The debate "Faith itself is a harmful and dishonest practice that should be considered immoral" was started by
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Faith is moral & divine...Faith in God make us A good human being...faith in next morning make us live well....faith in Partner make life successful...Faith in Success make life interesting....So faith is one the most valuable things Created by God Himself
Everyone has faith in something, so lets arrest everyone
it gives us the power to see our upcoming death and not be afraid and it allows us to look at our life and judge if it was good or bad.
It's gives people strength for the better or worse
Their is nothing wrong with religion, EXCEPT Islam.
there are extremist in everything that do stupid things. yes even ur precious atheism has extremist so don't just throw faith in the dirt because of the outliers.
what does that have to do with faith? how does the definition of faith depend on terroorism?
Faith.... The believe in merciful higher powers than ourselves. How foolish.... we are in political turmoil because of some Radical Islamic Idiots attempting to establish a Caliphate. Faith is a complete Farce. Fraud
It is not possible to not have faith. Everyone exercised some level of faith countless times each day. When you sit in a chair, you exercise faith that it wont collapse. I mean the list really goes on and on each day.
faith is the belief in someyhing that cannot be proveb beyond a teasonavle doubt. I have faith in gravity, that it will hold us against the earth so we do not fall off. although i cant see, touch, taste, smell, or feel it. (geavity is a sensation not a feeling, much like the Holy Ghost) if you believe that morals came from God, then you believe in a God whos existence you cannot prove, therefore you are faithful by definition.
I can't really say for any faith besides Christian but in ours we were taught morals by God and then later Jesus while faith is more like we believe in God and Jesus.
so if, as you say, morality is a part of faith.
then morality is an element in the set of faith, aka under faiths umbrella.
so if I talk about faith, I may not be talking about morality, there are plenty of other pieces to the puzzle.
the problem is when I talk about the piece to the puzzle. that is when i talk about morality, its still the same puzzle.
so youre right, we can have faith without morality but not morality without faith
this means, based on your suggestion, that morality is conditional to faith. and shows
therefore, morality is [within] faith.
the next question is
'What is the relationship between morality and faith?'
not really. morals are what you believe us right and wrong and it's a part of faith but faith can be expanded further than that
morality is faith
yes I face that very question every day and decide in favor of God because it's what I believe. and let's say I'm wrong and there is nothing after death or someone else is right it wouldn't matter that I'm Christian. but I do believe and so I follow what Jesus tells me.
Absolutely not. Simply allowing for the possibility of the existence of a God does not mean that one is constantly questioning the existence of God. It is simply the intellectually honest stance to take.
You, as a believer in God, have to acknowledge the possibility of there not being a God. That doesn't mean you're on the fence about your functional belief in God. It simply means you can honestly acknowledge the limits of the evidence you use to substantiate your claim. Atheists simply look at the same evidence and conclude that a God is not likely. But to claim certainty on the issue is to either claim one has proprietary knowledge not available to anyone else or to misrepresent the strength of the evidence one has to support a truth claim about God.
there is no religion against Christianity either. I'm not sure what you mean. would it be better if I asked you about vishnu which still has many followers?
my position is that a though there is always the possibility of the existence of a god, using accam's razor and the available information I have decided that god does not exist, definitely not in the personal form that takes a special interest in this tiny planet. the idea of a perfect, intelligent, conscious being always existing or coming from nothing seems far more unlikely than a basic, nonconscious thing (a universe) being the ever existing fact or coming from nothing. much like nature developed lifeless rocks before the complex chemicals that make up sentient life.
there isn't a diff. religion against Zeus. it isn't beloved by anyone anymore unlike Christianity and Muslims and many other diff. religions. but I see ur point. so u would describe ur position how?
do you consider yourself on the fence over the existence of zeus?
so in essence atheist are the fence riders?
Faith, is an unjustified belief. It's a belief you hold without sufficient evidence for it to be considered knowledge. So no, if you could prove the existence of God, it would simply be knowledge, not faith.
That is why I maintain that atheism in the absence of any other truth claims (like naturalism) is a faithless belief. It is simply a statement about the quality of evidence for a given proposition. Meaning that the person can't believe claim "x" because the evidence presented was not sufficient to claim "x" is true.
If I don't believe that aliens are kidnapping people, it's not because I have faith that they're not, but it's because I don't have sufficient evidence to hold such a belief. If, however, I do believe in alien abductions then either I have faith in the truth of a personal experience or faith in the accuracy and truthfulness of other accounts.
what I meant by on the fence is that u don't accept any faith because it can't be proven. though if it could would it still be faith?
Not at all. One can absolutely not believe in God and yet take the stance that it's an unprovable proposition.
You probably don't believe in Zeus or Mars, but you'd probably agree that proving their "non-existence" is likely impossible. You'd likely agree that the best you can do is present a probability/rationality argument against their existence. Simply admitting an intellectual truth (you can't prove a negative) doesn't mean you're on the fence about whether you've seen sufficient evidence to believe the opposite.
so to make sure I get u right atheist are either fence riders or naturalist?
This is a misunderstanding of how non-belief functions. It's not an active belief; rather it's a lack of belief.
Saying that an atheist has faith in the non-existence of God is nonsense. A non-belief in God can be simply rewritten as "no evidence has been presented to warrant a believe in a God". That is not a belief system, it's an evaluation of evidence.
I doubt that you have an active belief in Karma like the Buddhists or Hindus describe; that doesn't mean that you have "faith" that no such thing exists. It simply means you haven't been presented with compelling evidence to support a belief in Karma. Your faith in the Christian God may also mean that you can't accept Karma (as the two are mutually exclusive).
To be fair; the argument can be made that some atheists have faith in naturalism. I say some because many atheists steer away from such absolutes and resign the answer to whether or not there is a God to the unknowable. Meaning they are atheistic in their practice (just like you're probably atheistic in regards to Zeus, Mars, etc...), but agnostic in the epistemology of how to prove and define God (i.e. what constitutes "proof" of God vs naturalism).
faith by definition in the Merriam Webster dictionary is a strong belief In something in this case that there is no God.so u do have faith. My evidence that there is a God is everything around us and even u. what is the chance that space and time and all these complex structures around us just happen to be made.
a lack of faith is not faith. saying that God has no supporting evidence and therefore isn't real is not Faith. it is critical thought. you don't seem to understand.
@DonnyM when u say faith is dishonest. immoral, and harmful u are going against urself. I'm guessing ur atheist. but as an atheist u have the faith that God isn't real which is a hypothesis in itself as well. which u r presenting right now as fact. so in short u have broken down ur own argument.
what are doing up at mid night?
I am an Agnostic Atheist... and this is one of the dumbest things I have ever seen... i do not support religion on anyway... but in no way is it immoral... they have great morals period.
it requires faith to discredit it
My Christian faith doesn't command me to do anything other than love people...
I'm not understanding your grammar. Let me clarify what I mean by faith, as it seems that people attribute as many different meanings to the word "faith" as they do to the word "God." I'm not talking about hope or trust. I'm talking about the act of taking a hypothesis, such as the existence of a personal god, and choosing to treat it, and present it to others, as a fact.
So, it's considered subjective thereafter? How would a belief considered to be a lie and delusion after seeing some facts or tragedy. Faith is not just belief or religion, it's whether your perspective said about this world. If you believe that world war 3 would concur, that's basis of faith from facts that you collected. It's a form of trust.
At the moment you decide to adapt a belief, if you don't have evidence to support your claim, if it has to be called faith because it can not be called knowledge, you commit an act of self deception. And the fact that you haved deceived yourself to the point that you think of it as true, does not make you honest thereafter. Faith is a lie or a delusion.
sorry but this hurts my feelings. I thought smart people used this app.
Look in a dictionary for God's sake. Immorality is something you should learn in brighter fashion without your opinion on your view on religion or faith in general.
I think you meant to say in relevant, because lets be honest if i have faith in flying i can still die you know. If i have a plane than yes i have to believe in my abilities
it's not really dishonest as long as they truly believe it. they aren't lying.
people should be allowed to believe what they want to believe, but they shouldn't force their beliefs on others, and they shouldn't be allowed to discriminate against others based on their beliefs.
faith is a personal thing, and it can help some people get through tough times. it may at times be harmful to society as a whole, but to an individual person it's benefits may be limitless.
What you are calling faith would be better described as trust. When I say faith I mean the act of treating a hypothesis, such as the existence of God, as a fact despite insufficient evidence or verification. I think this is tantamount to dishonesty and is therefore immoral. At the very least, there's no reason that they should be considered a virtue.
that seems kind of rediculous. I have faith, to a limited extent, in my government. I have faith in my friends and family. faith in and of itself is not a bad thing. it's blind faith that is the problem. believing fiercely in something with no supporting evidence causes all kinds of problems.