The debate "Fast food is one of the major key factors in the obesity epidemic." was started by
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they dont force you to eat fast food, the really causes of obesity is a bad education.
I feel you are ignoring the topic and arguing your own.
The topic is not about assigning blame, nor is it excusing behavior. It is about the existence of a relationship between fast food and obesity. Whether the fault lies with the consumers is an entirely separate debate. One which you have already created.
If self control caused obesity independent of all other influences, we could cure world hunger by teaching starving people to not have self control. If food is irrelevant, by removing self control they would become obese without the need for more or better food.
Your opinion on who bears the blame for obesity is irrelevant to whether there is a link.
I feel you're reaching.
Why blame a food product for people's lack of restraint? If someone was alone in a room full of food, then yes, it would be completely up to their self control as to whether or not they become obese.
How much of the food do they eat at one sitting? Do they exercise their body to burn the calories they consumed?
I don't understand the need to excuse people from their responsibility to themselves.
Is everyone that ever eats fast food obese? No. Therefore it is not the food's fault. It is the person who chooses to over eat that is at fault. There are obese vegans and vegetarians as well. They just choose to over eat fruits and vegetables instead of meats and cheeses.
As to proof that people did not exercise self control in history, look at drug use and alcohol abuse throughout history. If we had recently changed how we think in such a way as to lose our self control, we would not see substance abuse throughout history. The fact that we do, but we do not see obesity running rampant means there must be another factor that has changed, like the abundance of cheap food, which plays a role.
I in no way said that there haven't been changes in how we live, I said that we still fundamentally have the same thought processes. This can easily be verified by looking at literature. If we have drastically changed our thought processes and motivations, the motivations and thoughts of characters in classic literature should have alien. Instead, while societal norms have changed and language has adapted, the characters are still relatable today.
If someone with little self control was locked in a room, would they become obese? If not, then obviously the food they consume is a factor. Self control is certainly a factor, but people do not magically become obese because they have no self control. They become obese because they have no self control and have access to inexpensive high calorie foods. Being unable to do something does not give a person self control. Self control is a characteristic of the person, not something imposed by external factors, hence why it is called self control.
You have already repeatedly confirmed that you are aware that the excessive eating of fast food is a factor in obesity, and made clear that you feel the topic is blaming the food rather than the person eating it. By arguing against the strawman you have created, you avoid dealing with the fact that whether the fault lies with the food, the suppliers or the consumers the food itself is still a factor.
I think you're arguing with yourself here. Both of those quotes relate to people not being able to control their own intake of food.
Are you sure people haven't changed thought processes? Do you have proof that people didn't exercise self control 100 years ago?
How is it that obesity used to be a sign of wealth, yet now it is mostly the everyday person who is obese? People were forced to exercise self control because they couldn't afford to over eat and heat their house at the same time.
100 years ago people didn't have cars, television, Internet, chain restaurants, central heating, the ability to fly across the world, or JoBs for the matter.
You can?t say that the kinds of changes in our society that we have seen since the industrial revolution don't cause a drastic change in the way people approach every day life.
You are unequivocally wrong. People have not changed their thought processes in the last 100 years, but obesity is now an epidemic. If lack of self control was the only factor, obesity would always have been an issue.
While lack of willpower is a factor, the change in our eating habits is as well. You previously agreed that people buying and excessively eating fast food is a problem, but balked at saying the food was a factor.
"The consumption of said products in copious amounts is the key factor "
" People buying terrible products is the problem "
You refuse to admit it, but even in your own arguments you cannot ignore the fact that fast food consumption plays a role in obesity.
Now you claim that the lack of willpower is sufficient to render someone obese regardless of what they consume?
People's lack of self control is the only factor
It certainly is, that is irrelevant to the topic. In your opinion is the consumption in excessive amounts a factor in the obesity epidemic?
Fast food is fine if consumed in moderation.
Whether the food or its suppliers are at fault is a separate issue. Unless you are contending that fast food plays no role in obesity, fast food is a factor.
I understand your point, you appear to be missing mine. You are arguing that the product itself is not the factor, its over consumption is. For that reason you disagree with the topic. However as you accept that the consumption of fast food is a factor, by necessity the food itself is. You cannot consume something that does not exist so, while you hold the food blameless for the health problems, it is a factor in that it is what is being consumed.
Can you resist partaking something and have it be a key factor in something?
You're missing my point
Can you partake of a substance that does not exist?
It's apples and oranges.
"fast food is a key factor in obesity" states the existence of fast food, not the partaking of fast food is what leads to obesity.
"smoking is a key contributor to lung cancer" states that the action of partaking in tobacco products is what leads to lung cancer.
In what way does substituting cigarettes for fast food and lung cancer for obesity create a logical fallacy? The consumption of a product has been shown to contribute to a negative health effect.
That make be the premise you ate arguing against, but it is not implied in the topic that such is what the original poster meant. The topic states that fast food is a factor in the epidemic. You seem to agree that the consumption of fast food is a factor, therefore the food itself is, by necessity, a factor.
The analogy of "smoking is a key contributor to lung cancer" is a bit of a logical fallacy because it's not exactly the same premise. The premise here is that the existence of the product is the key.
Again, the existence of the product is not the key factor. The consumption of said products in copious amounts is the key factor.
The legal system has already demonstrated that companies are responsible for what they sell being safe when they forced them to pay billions towards treatment of people who developed cancer. Why should fast food companies be held to a different standard?
If the topic was "Smoking is one of the major key factors in lung cancer" would you still find it scapegoating the product, or stating that the product is linked to the problem?
The topic itself does not blame the restaurants, it says fast food is a factor in obesity. If you agree that eating fast food is linked to obesity but disagree that the suppliers are partially to blame, you should still be agreeing with the topic.
As to your comparisons to rape and theft, they are in no way relevant. First because the topic is not assigning blame, merely stating that there is a link between fast food and obesity. Secondly because those are crimes, while what we are discussing is not. A premeditated crime is different from becoming ill because you consumed a product that was legally sold.
That's just another way of releasing people from responsibility. I'm aware that my smoking leads to cancer, and choose to do it anyway.
Blaming the existence of a product is a scapegoat in my opinion.
It's just like blaming guns for people shooting each other. Or blaming money for a robbery. "if the money wasn't there he couldn't have robbed them". Or blaming a woman's appearance for rape. If you choose to do something, it's your fault alone. Being able to control our behavior is what makes us human in the first place.
That is like saying that cigarette companies are not to blame for lung cancer rates, smokers are. The companies are just filling a market demand for unhealthy items, but those who use them are the ones to blame.
Even if we hold the companies blameless, it is still the consumption of fast food by those "fat, lazy, uninformed and unmotivated people" that is playing a role. Whether you are blaming supply or demand, the product is still involved.
This is another example of blaming a symptom instead of a cause. The market creates what people demand. Fat, lazy, uninformed, and unmotivated people want cheap comfort food.
Fast food isn't the problem. People buying terrible products is the problem. How many healthier options have companies like McDonald's tried and removed from the menu simply because of lack of demand?
Just because people don't exercise self control they try to blame the people who are giving them exactly what they ask for.
You Dig it man You're Right
Fast food is a major factor, but so is lifestyle. If someone eats fast food occasionally and is active, they are unlikely to become obese. If they eat fast food daily and are sedentary, they will likely gain weight. Calories in vs calories burned us a simplistic but effective way of looking at your diet. Compare a meal at a fast food chain to how much exercise you would need to do to burn that many calories and see how likely you are to actually work it off.
I agree, however, added sugar I'd probably the number one culprit. If you look on the label for sugar, it doesn't give you a percentage of daily value. It just adds it to carbs. The AHA recommends about 25grams of sugar daily. Look at your food, most yogurt have that much in each serving.
Agree. The traffic of people entering the DQ across the street from my work is so bad people block the street trying to get themselves fried food. And the people I see going in there aren't exactly thin...