The debate "Feminism doesn't help women but bullies men and society into giving them special treatment" was started by
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June 26, 2016, 11:45 pm.
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That might be enough to see the common perception.
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Ive always thought of It as if the only way you can defend yourself is speech, you are doing it wrong. Some women you can look at; listen to and not question at all their qualifications and talents.
Nobody is denying we do not need feminism, but to say it is an intertational crisis and one sided issue is complete bonkers.
Alot of self proclaimed feminist do excactly what the original statement states, and what alot call feminism is turning into a lesbianic man hating culture just like supporters among BLM.
300 girls in Nigeria were kidnapped to be sold as sex slaves because "educated women are evil". A girl in Connecticut got stabbed when she told a boy "no" after she was asked to go to prom with him. And now some self-proclaimed "supreme gentlemen" went on a misogynistic, mass-murdering rampage because girls didn't want to sleep with them.
How can anyone still think we don't need feminism?
" their are only 2 stimulants to one's effort the fear of punishment and the hope of reward "
the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.
that is feminism
use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force them to do something.
that is bullying
Since when was the simple spirit of democracy considered to be as Tyrannizing?
ok, get back to me when you feel up to it :)
Maybe cause don't want to hear stuff like that day by day genius?
I'm was also hoping you'd get back to those anti men hash tags cause your acting like all other groups, including men don't make tons of hash tags belittling others.
stuff like what specifically? I provided several things. please be explicit.
wow. I provide links of someone belittling a female politician for the very reason of having kids as I said, but I guess your best defense is to bury your head in the sand and accuse your opponent of being a troll...
but that was good advice. trolls should be ignored. good bye.
also nice way of avoiding demonstrating the reverse situation on men as you claimed in your previous post and I asked you to do.
I wonder who the audience will believe is the troll.
And don't you think getting attention about stuff like this should be a good thing????
Yeah sure whatever.
But the best way to counter that is not care and to not feed the trolls ( which i need to stop doing to you -_- )
the questions about motherhood comes up every time a female runs for office. it's all over twitter, it's all over the news.
can you demonstrate the reverse situation in men? there are certainly separate standards for men, but they hardly impede their ability to succeed, unlike women's double standards.
there is nothing communist about demanding equal opportunity, and being given opportunity under constant harassment is not equality.
How the heck do you know that women are being mistreated in those feilds or being question for being a mother?????????? And if that little link was reversed on man you getting the same thing. Your counter agurement does nothing but prove that women overvaule themselves and complain about the littlest and minor things about life. Feminist and people like you don't want equal opprotunity. You want equal results. And to do that you have to put all of the first world into a Socialist/Commuist-like state.
"Unequal Representation : Maybe it's because a lot of women don't want those jobs and the only thing that's stoppingthem from taking them is not misogny but free will and choice."
big maybe, and a complete guess.
there's also the fact many women are afraid of entering public life considering how horribly women are treated in the field.
"Social Stigma : Again! In what way women are oppressed, seen as inferior, or looked down upon????? Last time i checked they're treated like human beings like anything esle."
they aren't seen as inferior but they are judged on a completely different standard. God forbid a woman is a mother, cause her commitment will instantly and by default be questioned, whereas if a man has kids it's seen as a positive, he's a family man!
"Double Standard : Now there's a biological reason to that in a video that will explain this very well."
the video was about slum shaming and missed that issue completely. slut shaming isn't done only to woman with multiple partners but completely innocent women such as the woman involved in the bridge gate scandal. she was slut shamed with no hint at multiple partners.
however the double standard goes well beyond slut shaming and family commitments. if a man yells, he's seen as powerful. if a woman yells, she's a shrilly bitch. if a man uses underhanded tactics, he's strategic (trump) if a woman does, she's a conniving bitch (hillary).
Unequal Representation : Maybe it's because a lot of women don't want those jobs and the only thing that's stoppingthem from taking them is not misogny but free will and choice.
Social Stigma : Again! In what way women are oppressed, seen as inferior, or looked down upon????? Last time i checked they're treated like human beings like anything esle.
Double Standard : Now there's a biological reason to that in a video that will explain this very well.
unequal representation, social stigma, and the double standard.
In what way are they still oppressed...be SPECIFIC
How are they fighting for equality...be SPECIFIC
You didn't awnser a gosh darn question -_-
the job is to actually get equality. we can't make society magically change. that is what you are suggesting we should hope for. that we should stop pushing for change and hope it comes magically. feminism is still needed to make that change happen.
All your aguring is that "there is still a job to be done for feminism" what job?
Discrimination, and unfairness will continue to this day and next. And you can't make society magicaly change to stop being that way.
Yes of course.
But what are they fighting for spefically? What rights, and opprotunities do men have that they don't? Tell me what are they fighting for spefically to reach this so called "EQUALITY"? How are still women oppressed in the first world today? I only bring up the Islamic Nations to show the hypocrity of women in the first world who go and say "they fight for all women" or "we fight for the equality of everyone". I understand that places like those aren't going to change, but don't think your somhow "fight for women everywhere" like some big hero that needs a medal cause your not. Yes women oppression still continues to this day but guess what? You can minumize it, makes laws, and raise awareness all you want, but their will still be racist, ablist, macandrist, and misogynist out there that will be like that cause they don't care and disagree with you and nothing can change that. Not you. Not me. Not anybody.
so your argument is that rather than improve things in the country they live in, they should go half way around the world to a place they have no chance at creating change?
feminists have lives here. they have families, jobs, a life. most can't drop everything and move to Saudi Arabia. especially because they would be deported very quickly, or imprisoned when they tried to protest. they should focus on actually finishing the job here. other countries need to improve too, but it's not our place to try to force them.
Welcome to responsiblity and critical, tough thinking.
l never said do them here. I mean go to those places and actually do them there.
.... so you have nothing.
these aren't government officials, these are ordinary people, and you expect them to topple dictatorships? lol.
the US government can't force change on other nations. and it's not like they have complete equality here... wouldn't it be smarter to concentrate on what they can change?
This the the stuff feminist should be thinking of instead of myths and first world problems.
everyone is aware about it. how are protests here going to help women in iran?
Raise awareness, protests, discussions, petitions, anything to justify it's unfair to women in those Nations much like they in Western countries instead of flat out ignoring it. Somethingn is better than nothing.
what do you expect to do about the sexism in Islamic nations?
And don't you think women who are being raped, stoned, and seen as inferior in Islamic countries is more important of women's issue then fixing a non-exsistant pay gap or having 50% of representive women.
First of all, i never said all feminist radical.
Secondly, who are you to say who and who isn't good representive of feminism? ( No True Scotsman Fallacy )
But then using the term "real feminist" is using the "No True Scotsman fallacy" because no one can say who and who isn't a feminist.
And where are the feminist that help men when they make the agurement "feminism is about equality of the sexes" or "feminist help men too"?
I disagree with your assessment that modern feminists are all radical. I think what you are thinking of are fringe feminists with radical views and not representative of the broader feminist movement.
I have noticed a tendency on the right to take a fringe movement and then use it to defame a broader movement. such as using the fringe views of some crazy YouTube feminist claiming she speaks for all feminists, or citing an isolated campus movement by a bunch of kids to represent the entire left side of the political spectrum. I am not talking about right wing people, but the right wing media machine, like "the National Review"
when the left criticises the right, it's typically about a prominent political leader, not a bunch of nobody kids.
I do think that feminism has achieved many of its goals, but complete equality is still not here. their representation in both private and public realm is still lacking, despite their much higher graduation rates.
And where are the feminist that complain about actual women's problems in places like the Middle East or Africa where they are oppressed and are treated unfairly? Are their voices being heard by feminist?
And never said laws can't be broken. Yes they can be broken, but guess what? It's illegal and criminal to do so. And that person, place, etc can be arrested, sued, and suffer many or punishments that in a court system that's far more likey to believe the women than the man.
Yes of course.
But you have to realize that as you said they are advocating for their own intrest and not against the intrest of others.
I do believe that they're real feminist out there like Christina Hoff Sommers that actaully fight for women's right, but feminist like those you simply just find anymore and these radical feminist that promote and create things like #killallmen, Die Cis Scum, The SCUM manifesto, and many many more have made a stain on feminism that can't simply be clean off. Now it's just this cult of man-haters and illogical people that are fighting to have supieriorty over men and anyone not apart of them. The "special treatment" i was talking about and should of been more specific about.
Well I think your idea of feminism is a little twisted. Well at least for this topic. The feminists nowadays are what you would call radical feminists. Where they themselves have abused the power to justify feminism. Real feminism fights for their right for equality. So feminism is a good thing in retrospect. it gives women a voice and place where they can see change. sure there are some laws that protect women... but in all due reality, most people, jobs, and criteria don't follow those laws made. But there are pros and cons to each side of feminism.
the feminist movement is definitely farther along than black, trans, and Muslim rights, but in general I see nothing wrong with any group advocating for their concerns. even whitemaleism is perfectly fine as long as they are advocating for their interests and not against the interests of others.
it is everyone's right to promote their concerns.
Aslo what study did you get the 20% from exactly?
And i'm saying that a lot of the things that everyday feminist complain about, they already have. Equal pay, opprotunities, and rights. And if those things are held back or not given to them, they have laws that protect them such as the Equal Pay Act of 1963 and many other laws in place. I say this twoard feminist living in the first world.
Very sorry. It was an acident. Want to read the whole thing but my finger slipped.
gotta love the thumbs down with no counter argument....
so what exactly are these "special treatments"? equal pay? equal representation? hmmm?
cause 51% of the population having only 20% of the representation is equality...