The debate "Feminism is a pointless movement in this century. Women seem to have more rights than men" was started by
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sorry, I'll stop.
you were saying about the men's conference?
I think I remember accidentally clicking on the disagree button for the alt right argument and it wouldn't let me remove it. I don't have an opinion for alt-right because I don't know about it's beliefs or opinions. I don't want an explanation neither, I want to keep this conversation about feminism.
my alt right thread was created to argue that very point. You can see someone's votes by clicking on their name and I see you disagreed with it, care to leave a reason?
it's not about your politics but the narrative. I don't think you understand what feminists are actually standing for and I'm guessing your information about them came from sources already against them.
What do politics have to do with this. We are talking about feminism. I am conservative but I don't bring bias into my arguments.
Daniel, do you believe that you understand the issues liberals are fighting for? and do you get the entirety of your information on the left, from the right?
You mean the men's conference held by the anti feminist league? that sounds like they had more then just a pro men message.
have you ever actually listened to the other side in their own words?
I know the first paragraph or 2 will definitely get an eye roll from you, but keep reading, later on they hit the nail on the head regarding the reasons behind both men's and women's issued. gender norms and assumptions: (just citing norms, not my opinions)
men are strong, independent, fighters:
how could they possibly be the victims of female domestic abuse or rape?
women are weak, dependent, nurturers:
how could they possibly not get the children and alimony?
It seems that most of the men's complaints (ignoring their victimization, inequality in housing court) are a direct result of the same gender norms feminists are fighting against. and it would be nice if we had actual pro men's issues voices that weren't primarily anti other people.
Feminists do complain about all men. That's why they always protest and interrupt Men's Issues Conferences and demand the removal of Men's Issues speakers from universities.
rarely, but that's the point. what do you think feminists are complaining about? literally every single man?
besides, does anything less then shoulder width even take up any space
When was the last time you saw a man taking up three seats from spreading his legs. A normal man needs to spread his legs just enough so that the testicles don't cause discomfort. We need to open our legs at least the width of our shoulders which takes up an entire seat. Women however, don't have external reproductive organs allowing them to have their legs comfortably together.
neither one of you understand man spreading. public transport isn't meant to be luxury, but it's also not meant to be painful.... however testicles are not usually the size of basketballs.
man spreading is not about leaving testicle room, it's about taking up 3 spots with your knees and has more to do with wanna be alpha males acting stupid kinda like our president's dysfunctional handshakes. it is not done by most men, and has a female equivalent of hugging an entire pole, also making everyone around them uncomfortable.
And of course this is changing but only after women had the courage to speak up. There are lots of documents where women talk about their stories on sexual assault and rape that show how our culture would blame them and not necessarily the man. This mentality is changing because of feminism. Although people like Donald Trump still exist and feminism is here to remind them that that they are going to be called out in their bad behavior if they disrespect women.
I understand the science behind man spreading. Public transportation isn't supposed to be a luxury thing. People have to be in uncomfortable positions on transportation. Men aren't excluded in this. Also it ruins a man's life? What about trump? No he didn't rape anyone but he sure as hell didn't ask permission. Roy Moore is another example except his accusations seemed to actually help. Also women are asked questions like "what were you wearing?" if they've been raped. That's a victim blaming question since women are raped wearing anything. Also rape is like any crime and the number of people that lie about it is around less than 10 percent
1. Manspreading is comfortable for men because our male, extra sensitive reproductive organs are located on the outside of our bodies and just so happen to be in between our legs. Bringing our legs together causes discomfort for those reasons. Also, a male pelvis is constructed in a way that makes it easier to spread our legs apart.
2. There hasn't been one case that I have seen in which a woman is told how not to be raped. Maybe self defense against someone trying to force themselves onto you. However, there are seminars in certain colleges for teaching MEN not to rape and any rational student who doesn't want to attend these can get suspended from class. Also, the reason why people don't believe victims of rape is because, these days, the definition of rape has expanded greatly from someone forcing themselves onto you to having consensual sex and then regretting it to looking at someone the wrong way. Also, a rape accusation, even if the the one accused is proven not guilty, can ruin a man's relationship, job, social status, and overall shunning. This paired with a large number of false rape accusations creates a "boy that cried wolf" type of situation. I'm sorry this one was so long but I wanted to get that point across.
Also both purses and man spreading should be avoided. Both are uncomfortable for either sex. Also you wanted to avoid other countries yet brought that up?
Its absolutely not to show all men as rapists but to point out how our culture blames the victim and gives men the benefit of the doubt. It tells women how to not be raped but doesn't bother telling Ken not to rape. You also didn't even scratch the surface of my other arguments. Just using myself as an example I'm only 18 and I've already been sexually harrassed and assaulted, mentally abused, and physically abused. All by men that I dated who grew up in a society that made their behavior acceptable with "boys will be boys".
If you would like an example of women's power being shown, the capital of Spain, Madrid, has outlawed "manspreading". Making it so that men cannot spread their legs on public transportation, an issue only feminists care about, yet we forget the multiple seats women take up with their bags and purses.
I will correct myself and say that western women (exclusively American women) have equal and even more rights then men. The $1.00-$0.79 wage gap is a myth. Those numbers are averages. The reason men's average is higher is because men commonly work longer hours, harder jobs, and higher paying jobs. Also, I have heard of American culture, European culture, Asian culture, etc. "Rape Culture" is a term used by feminists to show all men as rapists. This is, by definition, sexist.
Giving women courage to speak up (#MeToo), run for office, get that raise, join a stem career (for young women), end body shaming (eating disorders), end over sexualization, slut shaming, objectification, etc. If you need more reasons let me know
Healthcare, wage gap, rape culture, Trump, other woman around the world other than Americans, LGBT women, non-white women, etc.