The debate "Feminism is needed in first world countries" was started by
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March 3, 2017, 6:06 pm.
17 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 22 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most people are against to this statement.
Nemiroff posted 12 arguments to the agreers part.
Your_dad posted 8 arguments, thereal posted 1 argument, mmjd14 posted 2 arguments, InksEvermore posted 2 arguments to the disagreers part.
historybuff, juneha, Hippocrates, Suco_169, human, braymus17 and 11 visitors agree.
thereal, Your_dad, mmjd14, Yanksxx21, nicksgallagher, UnderdogMike, Ematio, EthanTReilly, FaithofExaltism, RedWolf, TimRSA, locke and 10 visitors disagree.
"And of course the right has faults, no movement is flawless. I don't represent an entire political group at all; however, after seeing both sides of the argument, I just agree more with their views."
the left is definitely flawed, but I do feel the right is being betrayed. their leadership does not have their interests in mind.
I agree with many of the right's ideals. I just disagree with almost all of their policies and solutions. I want people to be self sufficient, I want to solve the debt, I believe in gun rights, and I'm conflicted on abortion. and I'm all for vulgar speech, I just think political correctness has its purpose. and hell yeah America first... but you got to think long term, being a bully doesn't always work out well.
forgive my bluntness, straight talking is another thing I like about the right. I'm direct and confrontational, and I typically respond in a similar manner I'm approached.
both genders face difficulties, all people face difficulties. but the difficulties are not the same, and not all equal.
you don't need to spend hours in the morning preping. and before you dismiss it too easily...
you aren't routinely judged primarily on your looks (not talking about on the street. I'm talking career).
and yes they have bills and debt and plenty of other things you have... plus they have the monthly fun and expense (+ taxes) of a period. I'll leave it for now. let's get a few from your side...
feminism is about fighting for equality for a specific group which didn't have it. black rights, women's rights, religious rights, children's rights, ......... they all have their causes. none of them go around showing up to everything.
1. do you really want to have them ALL showing up for everything? these protests are getting huge as is... you wanna do 5x that?!?!
2. their human, they have lives, they have families, they have limited hours in a day. what are you expecting from them and how is them not fighting your cause demeaning theirs?
I was replying to your point about male issues quickly until I had time to respond in full to the rest of it.
I'm not "looking for scapegoats", I criticised a political movement, which you did as well.
I didn't even create the debate, I just gave an opinion on it. Just like you did.
If you don't like people giving different opinions to you, then spending your time using a platform dedicated to people's ideas might not be a particularly good idea.
" I haven't taken a full look at your responses"
Where are you getting your ideas from then? Lol, that explains a lot.
I haven't taken a full look at your responses, but right off the back, I support equality in family Court for men as well as the end of chivalry. if women make the same as men, there's no reason for men to pay for everything. also divorce court.
your absolutely right, equality should work both ways, but 2 wrongs don't make a write. and don't say "how come no one brings up the men issue" cause you were the only one to bring up the women issue atm as well. the only 2 times I ever saw women mobilize was in protest to the pro rape rallies and after trumps election. their issues are real, but they aren't major... the only ones still obsessing over them are the right in their never ending quest for more scapegoats.
Both genders face difficulties, and both genders have their own double standards. So, if feminists are actually for equality, why is it only women's issues that are targeted? I've never seen feminists complain about higher male suicide rates, the inaccurate "beauty standards" of men, or various other small advantages women have. Are women's issues more important? Something feminists fail to realise is that everyone is judged by other members of society. It's not just a women-only thing.
And of course the right has faults, no movement is flawless. I don't represent an entire political group at all; however, after seeing both sides of the argument, I just agree more with their views.
I have no problem with immigrants, as long as they're legal. I support gay rights. I don't really care if someone worships Allah, although I do think that their religion itself has some flaws. And, although I think that you can't just change gender whenever you feel like it, transgenders can do whatever they want as long as they don't expect people to treat them like a special snowflake.
Unlike feminists, I don't think that everyone who disagrees with me is part of some conspiracy to oppress me as much as possible. Anyway, this debate was about whether feminism is necessary in first world countries, not "who is better feminists vs the right". My views on subjects unrelated to this topic are irrelevant.
As I said before: Can you give any other examples of sexism against women that you've actually seen in your daily life?
so it's full blown oppression or total equallity? is that why black people had to fight for freedom from bondage, the fight to end separate and grossly unequal, the fight to vote, the fight for economic opportunity. clearly it's not all or nothing.
but you are right on one part, legally they are 100% equal. the current battle is small issues with cultural double standards. they are allowed to work, but are still expected to do most of the housework. being a father is positive to a person's career or politics, being a mother is for some reason seen as a negative. cultural things like these are their current battle.
have you noticed that the only ones making posts regarding feminists are right wing haters. their issues are relatively minor like you said and nobody except the right is bringing them up. it's like the right wing world view (of course not all, but well into the majority) is not complete without a scapegoat.
(I'm not quoting you, but I am quoting real people on this app and can easily find mainstream right wing sources that repeat this):
"feminism is a cancer"
"black lives matters are terrorists"
"liberals are traitors"
"immigrants, gays, muslims, trans.... it's like the problem is everyone else but you... hmm....
If women were actually oppressed, then they wouldn't be given the chance to run for president. There was a time when they were oppressed, and couldn't even vote. Now they have full equality. Can you give any examples of sexism against women that you've actually seen in your daily life?
Nobody has called manspreading sexist in several posts now. True. However, you don't represent the entire feminist population.
Manspreading: the evil of modern America...
"And, although you might not have noticed, women don't live all together in " substandard areas with subpar schools and few opportunities". Another inaccurate comparison."
"and a black man held the job... yet most black people live in substandard areas with subpar schools and few opportunities.... 1 person's success means nothing to the majority. it's like the hunger games where they take 1 person from a district and say "see, we love all of you" while the rest are really second class citizens."
I was talking about black people in response to your false claim that if 1 person makes it, everyone must be equal. please read. and what other inaccurate comparisons have I made before?
manspreading isn't sexist, no one said that. it's just inconsiderate. just like the woman with the bags (except the woman with the bags may be carrying heavy items while the manspreader is just airing out his balls. the difference was manspreading was a more common, persistent problem. just cause a woman is expressing frustration doesn't mean she's calling you exist. why do you jump to such defensive conclusions when no one used the sexism word in several posts now?
and I'm not sure if that waist is healthier than morbid obesity. the women who try to match that figure go through a massive body shaping routine that involves compressing their organs, displacing them into their chest and greatly limiting their ability to breathe... and that's if everything goes correctly.
either way is your best defense that it's not as bad as something else? it's not healthy in any sense of the word.... you know, when compared to normal. what your saying is equivalent to "aids isn't that bad, it's not as bad as cancer" (anymore)... your still extremely sick, and your probably gonna die. neither one is good and your false dichotomy is not a good argument.
Again, comparing first world countries to the Hunger Games is ridiculous and inaccurate.
The fact that "manspreading" is considered a major problem just shows how much of a joke modern feminism is. What about women who take up several seats with their bags? Are they sexist scum too?
A thin body and large breasts is probably slightly healthier than a morbidly obese body that can apparently be "healthy at any size". And why are people claiming that the body type of a fictional female character is even a sexist issue?
And, although you might not have noticed, women don't live all together in " substandard areas with subpar schools and few opportunities". Another inaccurate comparison.
how is a pencil thin waist and back breaking breasts a "healthy body"???
and a black man held the job... yet most black people live in substandard areas with subpar schools and few opportunities.... 1 person's success means nothing to the majority. it's like the hunger games where they take 1 person from a district and say "see, we love all of you" while the rest are really second class citizens.
man spreading is a major problem on overcrowded public transportation. it's easy to dismiss something out of context. it's much harder to take a few minutes to consider the full detail of a situation.
what did you think, women just didn't like the pose? they wanted to sit, and men were the predominant violator of taking up 2 seats while many stood.
There's a bit of a difference between racial segregation and an internet troll.
Anyway,a lot of the stuff feminists whine about is what's truly moronic. "Manspreading", a gender wage gap (which is already illegal), femal characters in video games and media having a healthy body, and the "evil patriarchy", which is apparently a white male conspiracy to opress women.
"...justify the second class citizen treatment you give others" How exactly are women second class citizens? They have equal rights and opportunities as men do. For example, Hillary Clinton, a women, was almost voted into one of the most powerful positions in the world.
Second class citizens. Well, we all like to pretend we're special.
is your priority really to do only what's best for yourself regardless of the greater morality of right and wrong? from your posts on abortion I'm assuming your christian. that's some unchristian shit.
and idk about others on the left, but I'm all for equalizing custody cases as well which are more favorable to woman. I'm all for equality, but in all ways, and I don't want to hear complaints about no more chivalry.
Nemiroff this is the thing. A lot of men don't mind the treatment strangely theyll fight against something thats trying to help them becaise of there favoritism towards women. So in a way I guess they deserve what comes to them because they want it
this coming from the guy who read "life is continuous" and heard "I want to murder babies".... historybuff has a long history of quality posts here. you on the other hand just assume like an idiot.
judge not, or you will be judged instead.
so because someone is treated worse elsewhere, smaller injustices here should be ignored? that sounds utterly moronic.
1. we can do both.
2. we have little control over what goes on in the middle east, but we can right wrongs here in our own country.
tell me, would you use the same logic to tell black people under Jim crow "stop bitching, your not slaves anymore, be happy. so what if you will never be allowed to achieve the American dream? you got crumbs, be satisfied" ungrateful minorities always asking for more....
why don't you morons stop looking at 3rd world countries and dictatorships to justify the second class citizen treatment you give others. I don't know if that is your original bigoted line of thinking or your just sheepishly repeating something self proclaimed troll milo says, but it's moronic.
Well I can't say I haven't met way to ignorant women. This is why con artist choose women mostly as there victims you realize that right?
So...feminism is needed because some bored troll called you a women over the internet.
Meanwhile, in the Middle East, a lot of women can't drive a car or get an education.
Definitely needed in first world countries, right?
you should delete your account for how stupid your opinions can be lol
lol. so in order to try to insult me you say my "level of ignorance shows you must be a woman". thank you for proving sexism is still a problem. you are a perfect example of why feminism is needed.
Discriminatory hiring and the wage gap are in your imagination. I have already proved that in anothet debate. Your level of ignorance shows that you must be a woman.
And that is why it's illegal.
descriminatory hiring and salaries certainly are very serious issues.
Sexist air conditioning is a very serious issue.