The debate "Feminism is wrong" was started by
April 5, 2018, 8:05 pm.
27 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 18 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.
ChangeMyMind posted 2 arguments, alexisped0203 posted 3 arguments to the agreers part.
Nemiroff posted 22 arguments to the disagreers part.
person0092, Ian, ChangeMyMind, Conservative81, alexisped0203 and 22 visitors agree.
Nemiroff, Ash, devindel and 15 visitors disagree.
Hmmm....seems like a sound conclusion, Nemiroff.
well I dont think anyone wants to compare fringe minorities, so I believe mainstream feminism is the subject. and I think the OP is scapegoating in ignorance.
Najam1, you talk a lot in avocation for human rights, but elsewhere you were talking about some thesis that gays in the USA were bribing children? Why the disconnect?
What kind of feminism do you mean?
It's okay for fools to denigrate people born with certain skin color and ethnicity by calling them blacks, but the same fools will say it's not okay to denigrate people who actively reject Allah by calling them kafirs.
Kafirs are blacks and fools in one.
every disenfranchised group needs empowering to lift it out of its subservient norm.
certainly women are limited in certain top level feats of strength. a female Olympic weight lifter will be weaker than her Male counterpart, but in most normal tasks there is no difference between Male and female capabilities.
The idealism behind what feminism stands for and why many woman belive in it is high standing than just policy and laws. its the idea of empowering woman. As it did when woman started working in factories. It's the belief that woman can do what men do.
I agree religion has no place when determining policy and law, but when it comes to ones world view, you wont get anywhere by just dismissing the views of those you dont agree with.
I'm an atheist btw, my opponent was the religious one.
Go to church to preach. Bring God into any formal debate and you're argument will be torn apart due to many people not believing in Christianity or any religion used to strengthen ones argument.
to a very religious christian person God, jesus, and the bible have a big place in every discussion.
God, Jesus, The Bible have no place in this argument. We are discussing woman fighting for woman's rights. Not wether they are "sluts," "whores," or "sinners," therefore your whole stance and statements in this debate are invalid.
it's not just your judgement but your actions towards sinners.
how did jesus treat the whore?
Jesus never said do not judge.
are you saying there is nothing wrong with a christian going against all the teachings of christ?
You must judge others always. There is nothing wrong for a Christian to do this. Homosexuality is a sin. God says so, neighbor. Sinners do not go to Heaven.
impressionable left lol. considering how easily amnesiac much of the right can be, I do love their ability to build narratives around absolutes. starting to remind me of the Sith :p
I dont remember any man hating during the womans March on DC. and aside from that the only other feminist gathering was in response to a March in support of rape... really feminists haven't been that active because most legal issues have been addressed and the current issues are mostly social in nature.
who are the faces of the movement?
Elizabeth Warren? hillary Clinton? the Muslim girl from the women's March? what did they say anti man? or who else?
and why do they have to fight for everyone simultaneously? do they not deserve a personal life as well? is that even possible to do? that is another red herring bullshit to demonize other people who are just trying to speak up about wrongs they themselves witnessed. why dont men fight for men's issues? I'm sure we know them best! is it manly to demand others do our work for us while we chill?
Well, as always, change my mind. But I have not, to the best of my ability, heard any self-proclaimed feminist or seen any feminist leader in recent history not bash others to bring the point across.
Once again, the concept of feminism... spot on, equality for everybody!
Such poor execution, and hateful way to go about it.
Ever seen one of those female marches? The whole thing erupts into chant against white males...
In essence, what I claim is there. I never said all feminists are man hating, but the faces of the movement certainly are. This, coupled with the impressionability of today's young Democrat? You got yourself a movement that lost purpose.
and what percentage of the general feminists are these man haters? here's a hint, if it's just a bunch of bloggers and youtubers with outraged white males as most of their views, it's not a big movement.
what your claiming is the equivalent of a stupid liberal claiming all Republicans are racist. there certainly is alot, but hardly all.
The general concept of feminism was intended to bring equality between the sexes. I agree with equality between the sexes.
However, feminism today is just a man-hating practice. Feminists need to go; they're everything that's wrong with society. The execution of equal rights by feminists today is so poor, they've decided to oppress others to drive the point across.
let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
judge not lest ye be judged as well.
are you without sin? are you who is judging these men as unworthy of rights ready to be judged yourself?
and yet, how did jesus treat the sinner? and no, not the ones with leadership power who abuse it, the gays are not the ones cutting benefits to the poor, that would be the Republicans.
how did jesus react to those doing personal sins, like the whore? did he treat her like you treat gays? repeatedly remind her that she is a sinner and chase her out of his presence? or did he welcome her into his arms and stopped the gang attacking her?
There are no rights to want sin. There are no homosexual rights.
Homosexuality is a sin. A part of our fallen nature. One day God will perfect His children only if they do not want to be sinners.
A sinner is not sin. Sin is what makes you a sinner. No one should want to be a sinner. To love a sinner is to hate their sin and for then to hate it too.
to shun sin is to not sin yourself. what you were promoting was to not only shun the sinner, but deny him any rights. is that what jesus did?
If bad choices are permissable, "good" is nullified and counts for nothing.
Choices must be limited to good or bad. To be able to choose anything is chaos.
Shun sin not the sinner and you will live. This is love. This is morality.
There is no "freedom from" (without) choice.
and even with god. your view on gay, or even human rights are complete against his teachings. so what if he taught that they are sinners? did he teach you to shun and shame sinners? to cast the first stone? or to embrace them? what did jesus do?
as I said, I respect the teachings of christianity but its practice today is mostly confusing and completely contrary.
"freedom" from choice is slavery
"Freedom" to choose anything is chaos.
a meaning that is chosen is freedom
The One True God is the Creator of Life. A meaning that must be made is meaningless.
what is your meaning with god?
so you keep saying.
yet it seems that with God there can be no other meaning to life. sounds like slavery.
Without God there is no meaning to life.
that is subjective. many people find meaning without god. and they should all have rights
Everyone is a sinner. Christians spread the Gospel. A soul saved by God has rights to live. Without God, life is meaningless. A sinner has no rights. Only the potential to be saved. For this reason they are respected.
and what exactly do Christian's do to advance the rights of these people? best wishes is nice but ultimately worthless.
and according to yall all men are sinners. are you implying there are no human rights? gay people have the same rights as the rest of us.
There are no gay rights, neighbor. Homosexuality is a sin.
A Christian champions human rights everyday. They are the "impossible."
but you missed the point. in a world where many people have issues and concerns (including white men) it is absolutely ludicrous to expect someone to fight for everyone. there's is nothing wrong with focusing on the group that is personally important to you.
there simply isn't enough time in the day or years in a life for such an expectation. it is a stupid red herring and another alt right demonization tactic.
gay rights are the human rights of gay people.
By being a child of God, this type of person is concerned with the physical, emotional, mental and spiritual state of each person. That is what it means to be a neighbor. A Christian is a true champion of Human Rights. That is the way to live life. Their are no gay rights.
the same hypocrites cry about how Christian's are abused cause they cant enforce their religious laws on the entire population, while being perfectly fine with treating everyone wearing a Muslim head covering as a definite terrorist.
women's rights and men's rights have different issues. so do black rights, handicapped rights, various different religious rights, gay rights. they all have different issues
are you really saying that one has to sacrifice any hope for a personal life and fight for all these causes simultaneously and God forbid someone fights for the issues they are passionate about while supporting the right and reasons of other groups to fight for theirs.
this fight for all or fight for none is one of the dumbest right wing red herring arguments. if you want to fight for men's rights go ahead, no one is stopping you.
All people are people. A person should champion human rights not the rights of only certain people.
so you think women should be subservient to men? do you not think women are people?