The debate "For all you people who think the big bang disproves God- a catholic priest invented the big bang" was started by
April 6, 2016, 7:53 pm.
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So you are reffering to rainbow gravity? May I ask how the universe could be eternal?
All the evidence for the Big Bang coincides and supports the Bible's way of creation. I always thought in scientific research you try to support your hypothesis or theory with physical and hypothetical data. From your previous statement, I guess twisting possible answers around evidence is bad.
If you want an example of physical evidence that is used to support the Big Bang that supports the Bible, its the Red Shift. The Red Shift shows that the universe expanded from a more condensed state, and the Bible says the universe was expanded from a more condensed state. Therefore, the Red Shift supports the Bible, Logically. Dare me to keep going? I already destroyed that argument.
it can also coincide with Harry Potter. being able to twist your religion around science so that you can't be proven wrong does not offer any proof that you are right. since you have no proof that you are right, that religion is wrong should the default assumption for an objective mind.
All the evidence for the Big Bang can coincide with the bible.
"a catholic priest invented the big bang" - And his religion was irrelevant to the theory
New evidence actually suggests he may be wrong. His theory included a singularity which came about through mathematical necessity when only looking at relativity.
Models are now being crafted which make corrections for quantum mechanics (since they differ from relativity). These models suggest that the singularity may not have been there at all, and that we actually have an eternal universe.
This is because quantum mechanics let's us use bohmian trajectories as opposed to classical geodesics.
While this isn't a cohesive theory of gravity yet (which is what we're missing in order to talk about the true origin of the universe), it does solve a lot of the problems facing the traditional relativity models. It solves gravity, dark matter/energy, and avoids singularities....
I think it's way too soon for anyone to say that there must be a God until we have a theory on gravity. It's the biggest hole in physics at the moment and it's also the insertion point for God for most apologists.
Yes, they have. Did you not go through high school history class or something? Or are you just trying to ignore historical evidence?
nobody got arrested for saying the earth orbited the sun
If the Catholic Church arrested people for claiming the earth orbits the sun, you are deluding yourself if you think it never believed in the literal creation story.
the big bang in no way opposes the churches view on creation. sone prodestant denominations, yes.
Your argument is very flawed. Einstein is quoted to have said God does not play dice in response to quantum mechanics making it impossible to know everything. He spent years trying to disprove that part of his own theory because it indicated that there were limits to what could be known, even by God.
People propose theories that they don't like periodically. His having been a priest in no way influences whether or not it gives evidence against God, as he said at the time. The heart of why people say it is evidence against God is because it opposes the church's views of creation. If the Bible is wrong right from chapter 1, why should we trust the rest of it?
I'm saying one can't say the big bang disproves God. the priest believed in God and came up with the big bang. he wouldn't come up with something that disproves God, yet continue to be a priest.
and that same priest said that his theory had absolutely nothing to do with God. so why does his being a priest have anything to do with the discussion on the big bang?
I keep swing in the "God made the universe" discussions people saying "big bang people"
God could have made the big bang easily. I don't see why people think the big bang disproves God.