Gender roles are wrong and oppressive. A person should be whoever they wish.

August 24, 2016, 12:26 am

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The debate "Gender roles are wrong and oppressive. A person should be whoever they wish." was started by charlieholmes on August 24, 2016, 12:26 am. 21 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 14 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

charlieholmes posted 5 arguments to the agreers part.
thereal posted 2 arguments to the disagreers part.

TheProudWeirdo, jack_tim_45, charlieholmes, Gaurangi, WBrennan, Mohit050, neha_22a, redstar and 13 visitors agree.
Najam1, thereal, blakelovesjesus, wdz, Alex, NotoriousBishop, north, neveralone, The13yearoldconservative and 5 visitors disagree.

RogueAmerican
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My point was that society creates social laws.

2 years, 11 months ago

your examples all directly harmed people. refusing to submit to gender roles does not harm anyone.

2 years, 11 months ago
RogueAmerican
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You skewed my argument. We create our social laws.

2 years, 11 months ago

all of those are actions that are directly harming another person. you'll have a hard time explaining how not following a gender role directly harms someone else.

2 years, 11 months ago
RogueAmerican
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Who decided that murder, theft, and rape are not socially nor morally justified?

2 years, 11 months ago
charlieholmes
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Yeah historybuff is right. Identifying as another sex is a whole different issue. We're talking about gender here. There is a fine line between the two words, gender and sex, and we need to clarify those before going any further.
So gender is "the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex" (*Note the word associated)
Whereas sex is "either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and many other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions." (*Note how it says reproductive functions)
So to abandon gender roles is not to abandon designated sexes, it's to abandon the societal stigmas associated with those sexes. In other words this argument has nothing to do with a trans persons ability to use their designated bathroom. This debate topic is about how people who wish to remain as there designated sex shouldn't have to conform to the gender stereotypes of the said sex.

2 years, 11 months ago
charlieholmes
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Who is this "we?" We didn't agree to this, our ancestors did. Our ancestors also agreed to enslave millions of people, commit genocide, rape, murder, and other crimes against humanity.
Also - our society has been and is still very messed up. This is something that should be changed.

2 years, 11 months ago

which bathroom you use isn't a trait. by definition.

2 years, 11 months ago

@charlie there is a difference in it being ok for a girl to ask a guy to dance and a guy painting his nails. I don't think many people are against a girl asking a guy to dance, or a man being sensitive, or a girl being dominate and aggressive, the problem is the larger issues on where to draw the line.
couldn't I say "if a guy wants to go into a woman's bathroom he is judged cause that's a feminine trait"

2 years, 11 months ago
RogueAmerican
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Because we have agreed upon standard behavioral guidelines for society.

2 years, 11 months ago
charlieholmes
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Wait was this in reply to me?
The word I used was a derragtory term that is used to refer to people who are LGBTQ+ and the continuation of gender roles is not what I am arguing for whatsoever.

2 years, 12 months ago
charlieholmes
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It was a simple example I was using to try and explain the point better to you, it doesn't mean it's held true in all situations. So here's some other situations:
1) If a man decides to be a stay at home Dad he's judged and labeled by society because this is a "feminine" trait
2) If a woman likes to have sex and go to wild parties she's judged and labeled by society because this is a "masculine" trait
3) If a man is caring and sensitive and shows it, he's judged by society because this is a "feminine" trait.
4) If a woman is assertive and dominant she's judged by society because this is a "masculine" trait
5) If a man wants to paint his nails and do make up on himself, he's judged by society because this is a "feminine" trait
6) If a woman doesn't want to shave she's judged by society because this is a "masculine" trait.

Why does society need labels like this? Why is it to be an acceptable young lady you have to act feminine? Why is it so wrong for a girl who wants to ask a guy to a dance to do so? Furthermore, why is it unacceptable for a man to act in traits typically associated as feminine? Why does he have to be something he's not to conform to a standard that people will judge him based upon?

Wouldn't the world just be a happier and much better place if people would just stop judging others over who they are as people?

2 years, 12 months ago

you just highlighted the problem perfectly. you assume men should act a certain way or they are "bitches" (I assume that was the insult you were using.

you want people to follow cultural stereotypes of how they should act. and if people don't follow them you insult them and discriminate against them. you personify the problem very well.

2 years, 12 months ago
thereal
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nobody is called a ****** for wearing pink , you ******. people are called ******s for being ******s. many men where pink today and women have always worn blue. its not about the colour of clothe. its about the style of clothing and the way the 2 genders behave.

2 years, 12 months ago
charlieholmes
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Then what was your argument?

2 years, 12 months ago

Relax, I agree with you in a way.

2 years, 12 months ago
charlieholmes
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That's not what gender roles are at all. So a gender role is based around things society stigmatizes as pertaining to one gender. For example, the color pink is associated with women. If a guy wants to wear the color pink, he may be called a ****** by his peers because it's not masculine. Diminishing gender roles means that a guy can wear a pink shirt and not be called a ******.

2 years, 12 months ago

As women become more and more unhappy, they have been gaining more rights. Due to these facts, gender roles are necessary. Don't you think?

2 years, 12 months ago

western gender roles are largely based on outdated cultural practices and on Christianity. most of it doesn't make any sense any more.

2 years, 12 months ago
charlieholmes
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So what makes pink a womanly color? What makes blue manly? Why do people have to conform to girly or boyish? Justify your answer don't just state things.

2 years, 12 months ago

women should be made to act feminine and womanly and men shoukd be made to act masculine and manly. thats the way it works.

2 years, 12 months ago
charlieholmes
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This isn't saying change your gender, this question is saying you don't have to stick to the particular roles your gender is assigned. So if a man wants to be a stay at home Dad or work as a nurse in a hospital, that's chill, let him do that and stop bitching about how it's not "manly." If a woman wants to be a WWE wrestler or work as a firefighter, that's also chill, let her do that and stop bitching about how it's not "lady like."

2 years, 12 months ago
charlieholmes
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This isn't saying change your gender, this question is saying you don't have to stick to the particular roles your gender is assigned. So if a man wants to be a stay at home Dad or work as a nurse in a hospital, that's chill, let him do that and stop bitching about how it's not "manly." If a woman wants to be a WWE wrestler or work as a firefighter, that's also chill, let her do that and stop bitching about how it's not "lady like."

2 years, 12 months ago

changing gender is a very dirty task

2 years, 12 months ago
Blue_ray
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is it is. iam a boy. and iam what iam.

2 years, 12 months ago

You will still be a biological male or female regardless of what you do. It is really sick to change your gender. You are, who you are.

2 years, 12 months ago
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